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Hey guys, new to who cycle thing and was wondering if I could get some help. I am looking to do a cutting cycle and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations in regards to what you have used in the past and what type of cycle you were on. I have taken a few things in the past but nothing major and not stacked anything.  I am 30 and around 160 but due to an injury I have a lot of body fat especially around the mid section. Thanks in advance guys 

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What is your training history

What is your training history?  More importantly, have you been lifting for the last year or so consistently?  I ask this question because its important that your tendons and ligaments are used to moving weight. Too many folks get on gear, start lifting heavier than their muscles and tendons are accustomed too, and suffer injury thus knocking them out of the game due to injury. Furthermore, it's best to drop your body fat naturally first with diet, lifting, and cardio BFORE getting on the juice. To run a successful cycle, it's best if one has developed healthy habits, which spill over into the cycle period. 

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I have a decent history gym

I have a decent history gym wise, and know about the nutrition side of things. I was in good shape until about a year and 1/2 ago, and have had several surgeries since that have made me lose all my gains and my body fat percentage. I have managed to get off the majority of my weight gain since then from being around mid 190's down to about 155 now through diet and light cardio. Now I am finally getting my energy back and have recovered from my surgeries 

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+1 Blast and x2.

160 with a high body fat percentage. Don't know how tall you are, but I would assume that you don't have much muscle mass on your frame if 160 is fat for you. That's not a knock against you. It's just the reality. I think you should achieve some things naturally before you enter into the world of AAS.

"A few things" "nothing major" "never stacked anything"

We need you to be really clear and detailed about your history and your current state as a bodybuilder. We need to know your macros and your training frequency and your sleep patterns. If you don't know how to figure out your macros or you're not weighing your food out - tell us. We will all do what we can to help you achieve your goals. And we'll give you the best kind of advice instead of just telling you to take this and take that and eat protein and train heavy. You'd be surprised what kind of progress you can make when your diet, training and sleep is dialed in. The progress will be way better than if you don't have these basic disciplines dialed in and throw some Test or some Tren on top of it. Drugs are supplemental. They don't really do anything if you're not already making stellar progress without them. Hopefully this encourages you and doesn't send you looking for someone who's going to tell you to take clen and t3 to get lean without knowing what your diet is like.

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I am about 510 but all of my

I am about 510 but all of my fat seems to collect in the torso and no where else. My sleep pattern is kind of an issue due to work and a rotating schedule. I was real heavy in the gym before I was injured and had made some headway in to getting into the 200 lb body frame range with a body fat percentage around 13% at the time. I lost all my muscle mass around a year and 1/2 ago due an injury that had progressively gotten worse and with the surgeries to get me back to normal. This caused me to keep my near 200lbs but needless to say there wasn't much muscle there.  I have gotten down to 155 lbs now through diet and cardio however, I am finally hitting the weights again and starting out slow at 3 times a week for the first few weeks and build myself back up from there since it has been so long lifting anything

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Alright, brother. Sorry to hear about your surgeries. However most of the time, the best circumstances are created out of the shittiest conditions. The best people all learn how to turn shit into gold and you can do the same. It sounds to me like you need to get to where you were naturally prior to the surgeries before you start thinking about gear. The progress should be accelerated due to muscle memory. You'll have plenty of momentum riding you into your first cycle. Try to stay as lean as you can while you out on size. Don't do the dirty bulk bullshit. Shoot for 2 pounds of lean size a month. With the muscle memory, it will probably come faster than that. After 90 days, 6-8 pounds of solid muscle will be a big difference on your frame.

In the meantime, your job is to stick around MG to help keep you motivated and to absorb the knowledge that passes around here. By the end of the year, when you're in the best shape of your life you'll also be firm in your knowledge of AAS and you'll make that first cycle as optimal and productive as can be.

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Couldn't have stated it any

Couldn't have stated it any better. Not sure what your surgeries  entailed, but, definitely give them ample time to heal, more time than you think necessary, before embarking on the journey to the lands of AAS.  There are SARMS that may aid the healing process, and perhaps peptides, both with minimal if any sides. They may give you a boost, but not anywhere near the boost aas gives. One careful and deliberate step at a time :)

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+2 Blast

Brother V_C,

Welcome to MG.... A safe no judgment place.

Take the pervious advice given. I can say without reservation that AAS is not your solution to get where you want to be at this time.

Don't make the same mistakes that many of us have and start juicing before we take control of the things that we can control. 

Stick around a learn everything you can to get where you want to go. Many MG members are not just educated in the use of AAS. ;)

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VC the body is a resilient

VC the body is a resilient mechanism. If you were 200lbs at 13% bf you can quickly gain the majority of that back because of muscle memory so to speak. Like the advice above I'd give it a few months of hitting it hard, and see where you're at then. If you do that once you start to plateau out then you could start a beginners cycle, and you will blow the fuck up brotha, or ad I used to say "puff up like an ole toad frog" lol

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Like Mr A touched on, 160, 5'10" and weight around the mid section.....without seeing a pic of you, i would say you are very similar to the old me. I was 190 stood at 5-11 and had a beer gut for days and I saw bigger legs on a piano for christ sakes lol.

Now for instance when I cut i get down to 160 and am lean ripped and vascular af, so if you have a lot of fat in the abdomen i would agree with you that you lost a boat load of muscle, size and shape.

If I could go back (hind sight is 20/20) I would drop as much bf as possible before I even thought ped's.

Logistics to it all is if you can get to a lower bf and then bulk, you will have better results. Not for nothing but a cutting cycle is not what you are perceiving it as. A lot of people think cut and think "i'll get ripped and lose my belly" which is dead wrong. that term imo is more from a professional standpoint when someone in shape is looking to strip body fat from around all the muscles in the body for a more defined chiseled look either for the warmer weather or in prep for the stage. 

Cut cycles are not miracle cycles, they take proper training and a strict often grueling nutritional plan and to do it right quite frankly is no walk in the park. Check out semps post on "the elite" and what separates common folk from the true freaks. Its a good glimpse of reality.

My suggestion is now that your healed up just work on strength training and eating slightly below maintenance. You will not grow with this approach, but will drop bf and shape the existing muscle and overall just get and feel stronger.

Take the cut diet approach and not the cut cycle one. Cutting cycles usually consist of compounds that are not designed for someone just getting into AAS use. When you are ready if you do not have cycle experience, I would suggest a basic test only cycle for starters and yes you can cut on this if your macros are tailored towards your goals.

Last example on nutrition and i'll go, when i cut, i eliminate dairy bread, pasta and rice and work out like a mofo, tons of cardio etc... and i'm telling you when you eat and train like that your body doesn't feel great, its often like "wtf are you doing to me" but its the strong that persevere and push through and with that discipline the results will speak for themselves. People often look at me and say " he must be juicing" like i'm taking some shortcut, which is bullshit, because take the roids off the table and 90% of the population could still not eat or train like i do. They give you an edge and help you push through plateaus, but they are by no means a magical serum.

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Damn, Tug. +2, X2 for days. You said it all, brother. Absolutely correct about people mistaking what a cutting cycle is. It's 12 weeks to get from 10-12% to 6-8%. It's extreme and requires you to already have your disciplines dialed in and to 11. There are no drugs that are going to get you from beer gut to six pack in one cycle. Not Tren. Not HGH. Not MENT. Not Clen or Var or T3. Nor any combination of them.

I'm right there with you about hindsight being 20/20. If I could go back I wouldn't touch a drug unless I was 10%.

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That's right! Aas is mot a

That's right! Aas is mot a magic pill. It's not as quick as everyone thinks either.

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X2 & +2 gas! Very wellbsaid

X2 & +2 gas! Very well said and excellent advice!