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1st cycle of Test, help please?

I'm doing bloodwork in the morning to get my baseline results and this will be my first cycle of AAS. I already have my gear which consists of 3 Test Cyp 300mg vials at 10ML each one, all pharma of each below; 90 X 20mgs of nolva, 3 HCG vials at 5000 ML each one, and Aromasin 25mgs X 30 tablets. 

I have interchangeable drawing needles 18" and 23" and 3ML syringes. Do I draw with the 18" and inject with the 23"? Each 1 ML from what I read on the beginner sticky is what the amount of each vial so 1ML=300 mgs correct? 10ML= 10 uses at 300mg from what I see? I see 500 mgs split into 2 injections a week is the norm. I might just do 300mgs one day and the second injection draw up to .07ML on the syringe to be safe. How far apart in days should I inject test? 

My Aromasin is 30 pills at 25mgs and I will split that into 12.5mgs every other day to keep gyno away. Again, this look good? 

Hcg vials are at 5000 IU each one. To prevent testicular shrinkage should I do a blast at the end of my cycle or do on cycle?

For PCT I have 90 pills and plan to take nolva 7 days a week at 80,60,60,40,20, 

My plan is to do this 12 weeks but depending on how great I feel I might do 16 weeks. I will do bloodwork midcycle and at the end. Thoughts and opinions are greatly appreciated. 

 

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Do I draw with the 18" and

Do I draw with the 18" and inject with the 23"? Yes

1ML=300 mgs correct? For your TestC 300mg that is correct.

I see 500 mgs split into 2 injections a week is the norm. I might just do 300mgs one day and the second injection draw up to .07ML on the syringe to be safe. Not a good idea because you will get unstable blood levels that increase sides effects. Do two equally dosed injections per week.

How far apart in days should I inject test? 3.5 days is my choice.

My Aromasin is 30 pills at 25mgs and I will split that into 12.5mgs every other day to keep gyno away. Again, this look good? I have zero experience with Aro so someone else will pipe in on this.

Hcg vials are at 5000 IU each one. To prevent testicular shrinkage should I do a blast at the end of my cycle or do on cycle? I recommend 1000iu/WK (two 500iu doses) on cycle.

My plan is to do this 12 weeks but depending on how great I feel I might do 16 weeks. I recommend having a plan BEFORE your cycle begins and STICK to the plan. If you plan for twelve weeks than stay at twelve weeks. The longer the cycle the less the return on investment.

 

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I ran a straight 500mg TestE

I ran a straight 500mg TestE cycle at the beginning of last year and will break down what worked for me. I took 1ml(250mgs) on Sundays and the same on Wednesday's. it had been a good five or six years since I was last on gear and not knowing how my body had changed, i decided to go with aromasin as my AI as I had polled opinions of a lot of the MG brothers and concluded that aromasin packs more of a punch if I began having e2 issues. I will add that I had never been e2 sensitive before and still have no issues needing mention, you could be the opposite. As test e is a long ester, I waited two weeks to get test levels elevated and then began adding in 6.25 mg's every third day or aromasin. Looking back I realize that I probably shouldn't have even began with my AI until e2 symptoms arose. If you are not really very farmiliar with symptoms and feelings of high e2, anyone on MG will tell you anyway that bloodwork is going to be your only way to know for sure as far as getting your doseage dialed in. Aromasin can crash your e2 a lot easier than arimidex, and that's a whole other can of worms. As 500mgs is a relatively light dose of test, before my cycle was over, I was only taking my AI on an as needed basis. I definitely wouldn't advise starting 12.5mg's eod unless you are EXTREMELY e2 sensitive. Even then you shouldn't run into any problems for at least a couple of weeks. With 500 mg's of test, it is highly unlikely you're just going to wake up one morning with silver dollar's on your chest. if I missed anything or anybody has a different perspective, please chime in as these are only my experiences.

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+2 for the avatar. :))))  

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Thank you SemperFi and

Thank you SemperFi and JdDaniel01! I'll just do 2 injections of 300 mgs twice a week to keep it even. Will pin the test cyp on Monday and Thursday morning. I know to reconstitute the HCG with bw and use insulin needles but are HCG injections IM or SUBQ? I will add 5 ML of bw into the powder and my insulin syringes go up to 100 so the 10 mark=100 IU? I will pin the HCG on the same days as test shots. 

I had gyno as a teen for 3 yrs and luckily it went away so I might be estro sensitive. I was skinny but it showed through my shirts so I wore larger sizes to try and mask it. I never took my shirt off in public. It was embarrassing. Im already on a diet fast and will be at the clinic at 9am. I'll ask how long to get my blood results back and see my estro levels. If its in the low range I'll wait 2 or 3 weeks to start the Aromasin every 3rd day at 12.5 mgs but won't know till the paperwork is back. I'll post my test and estro levels when I get them. So Nolva and Clomid are SERMS and only for PCT and an AI is best used while on cycle to reduce and prevent gyno? 

About Test products I saw a video online where a popular bodybuilder named Dr. Tony Huge draws his test with the 18" up to 1ML and uses a 29 gauge 1/2" insulin needle to reduce injection pain. He pulled out the plunger of the insulin syringe and emptied the contents of the 18" syringe inside the insulin needle, then put the plunger back in. Anyone here do anything like this? Does anyone run their Test syringes in warm water before injections to help it flow easier into your body? 

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HCG Information -

HCG Information -

http://musclegurus.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/new-to-steroids-start-here/human-chorionic-gonadotropin-hcg-mixing-storage

The video you saw by the 'less than respected' Mr. Huge is called backloading. It is common for some people to backload an insulin syringe for injection. Many of us use a heating pad or heated water to heat the oil BEFORE drawing from the vial. Heated oil draws and injects smoother. Injection pain is relative and in my experience there is minimal or no difference from injecting with a 23g needle as there is with an insulin syringe.

Keep digging deeper into the forum to increase your education.

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Sounds like youve done some

Sounds like youve done some research.  Hard to tell if you are ready for a cycle since youve given very little info regarding your current condition and training background.  AAS are only a contributing factor for the look you are trying to achieve.  Diet and training need to be adressed first.

Less is more especially with a 1st cycle.  Plan for 500mg or less/week for 12 weeks IMO.  Bloodwork at week 4-6 to dictate ai adjustments.  Clomid and Nolva for your PCT.  HCG can be used either during, or part of a pre PCT blast.  Both methods have their benefits.

Aromasin can crash estro fairly easily in my experience so bloodwork is important, and paying attention to sides.  

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X2 with SF.

X2 with SF.

On the aro wait 3 weeks before starting the aro. If you start aro from day one the test is not built up in your system therefore nothing is being converted into estro, and you'll crash your estro. I'd start at 12.5 e3d to begin with and adjust from there if needed.

12 weeks max for this cycle.

Pct you need clomid to go along with the nolva. Pct is very important in determining how much of your gains stick. Your pct should be clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

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You're 5'10" 160 and you have "some stomach fat." That doesn't sound like someone who's close to maximizing his natural potential and thus doesnt quite warrant the use of gear. Are you benching 315? Do you squat 4 plates? At 29 years old, you should have some things accomplished in terms of your physique and your strength before you start using gear. If your tendons aren't strong enough to handle the weights your muscles will be able to use while on cycle, you will fuck yourself up. Furthermore, if you don't know how to eat for hypertrophy, then this cycle will be a waste. I'm not jumping to conclusions, but it would be helpful to us if we knew what your current level is at in term of body composition and strength.

Also, first cycle: what are your macros? What is your TDEE? 

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Mister A is right! You'll get

Mister A is right! You'll get muscles that are stronger than your tendons and that's going to end up an injury

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Been lifting for a year now

Been lifting for a year now and have 2 yrs under my belt back at age 25-27.

I eat 160 grams of protein during the day including my pre and post wo shake. Every meal has protein in it and lean meats with fruits and vegetables and up to 8 cups of water a day.

Ok went to do lab tests and they took several vials of blood. Return time is 6-8 business days and I'll post my results soon. Calorie intake is 2500-2600 a day. I'll order Clomid to go with my Nolva for PCT. I started out light in the beginning months with my focus on proper form instead of heavy weight but now can flat bench 175lbs for 3 sets at 10 reps and tried my 1 rep max which was 225lbs. My incline is at 145lbs as of last week. As of today I'm focusing on more reps in the 12-14 range and lowered my flat bench weight 50 lbs lighter. I could go heavier and do reps in the 4-6 range to gain massive size but don't want to buy a whole new wardrobe of clothes. I weighed myself before my workout on an empty stomach and was 158 with my shoes off and had shorts on instead of sweatpants. I had a solid workout today for an hour hitting my chest and triceps and did HIIT for 15 mins. I injected 1ML/300 mgs into my glutes before my workout with the 23 gauge needle and it stings even now. Going to hold off on Aro till the 3rd week like you say Dolf.

This will sound stupid but I have to ask about the HCG powder vials came in a pinball shape like design with a stripe around the top and has a dot on it. It came with sterile water so I'm going to use BW to prolong the longevity of it obviously. I have some empty vials on the way but how do I even reconstitute the mix without breaking the powder glass vial? It doesn't seem to have a normal puncture top like my vial of Test Cyp? 

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If it's going to take you

If it's going to take you more than 1 week to use the hcg do not use sterile water. Order bac water which is good for about 30 days, and keep the reconstituted powder in the fridge. To be perfectly honest a basic cycle like this does not require hcg. If it were me I'd save it for future use.

Those are called amps not vials. You have to snap the top off to vet to the product.

 

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You are going to want a lot

You are going to want a lot more protein (+50%) and water on cycle (+300%).

Calorie intake is 2500-2600 a day- How much weight are you trying to lose? Even with only moderate exercise that is a maintenance diet and with heavy exercise you are in a deficit.

 

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if i didnt say welcome

if i didnt say welcome already , umm welcome my friend. ,  i must agree with mr a here. , to me it sounds like you can save alot of money , and at the same time ,put on alot of strenght , and muscle natty ..

my friend i know we all want that 1st cycle. we do. , i know the feeling , and we think the juice is going to do wonders. but it dont. if you get a killer diet , and a solid training routine. i PROMISE YOU WE CAN GET YOU UP TO NEAR 200 OF MUSCLE and up to a 315 bench... your young. and got so much potential. ,, you need learn how to eat propper and train. and once you exceed your natural.potential , the world is yours. ..

come on make this bet ???? give the guys 8 months , fucking 8 months aint shit. bro. 8 months follow a solid diet and diet and some supps.  and get the gains i said.  then. hit the aas.  ... 

your life bro. , but i see someone young with the drive and all you need is the right guidence to hit your goal. , and then this winter. kill a test cycle. 

if not your only cheating self.  , but you still will get our full support. ..bro im 25 years natty 4 years on.  and i knew i needed bf down and training in place and diet. , so i fell back from juice to get right first 

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Tell us more about your experience with lowering your reps from 12-14 to 4-6. There are a lot of guys who would love to learn how to gain massive size.

Why exactly are you using steroids? Again, what are your macros? What is your TDEE?

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BMR is 1699 and 2418 for TDEE

BMR is 1699 and 2418 for TDEE. That's not subtracting 15% to lose bodyfat. Not sure of macro # but I eat plenty of protein and carbs. Not much fat. I dont smoke anything and rarely drink alcohol. I can increase my protein to 1.5 grams per pound and add more water intake.

 I'm using TEST to look better aesthetically. To pack on muscle but have a cut look instead of a muscle on fat look. I meant no offense to those who lift to compete or want the Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman look when I said I dont want to do heavy weight and low reps. I would like to look similar to actors Chris Evans or Chris Pratt. I'd like to lose bodyfat while gain lean muscle. Im going to HIIT 3 times a week at 15 mins.

I haven't opened up my HCG yet but I saw how to open the amp bottles and would hate to inject glass particles in my body. Looking for needle filters now. Dumb question I know but I would use the needle filter to reconstitute 1 or 2 ML of the BW water into the opened amp powder vial and then have to switch to regular needle to put into empty vial? Then just add the remainder of BW into empty vial to complete 5 ML total?

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I've snapped off many amps,

I've snapped off many amps, and never used a filtered needle. If it'll make you feel better I'm all for you using a filtered needle, but not really necessary imo. Once you snap a few amps you'll see what I'm talking about.

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Dolf taught me to slide a pen

Dolf taught me to slide a pen cap over the top and snap. Works wonders...

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Pen caps work great! 

Pen caps work great! 

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X2 Pen caps work great and I

X2 Pen caps work great and I also owe Dolf for that information.

 

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Heavy weight low reps, and

Heavy weight low reps, and light weight high reps both create the same goal.  Lean muscle mass developement.  Your body's response to either stimuli is its own.  Diet will dictate weight gain or loss, but in both scenarios lean muscle gain is the goal.  Point being try all rep ranges and weights to figure out how your body best responds and switch it up.

Not doing heavy weight because you dont want to look like Ronnie Coleman is not reality.  Professionals are professionals due to much more than the rep ranges they use.  Same with any celebrity.  Their success is due to strict diet and training frequency, and intensity.....not whether they do sets of 5 or 15.

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I don't think Jay or Ronnie are known for training with low reps. The consensus on hypertrophy seems to be training on the 8-20 rep range (broad I know, but everyone is different).

Your goals would have been achievable without steroids.

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I agree with you Griz but

I agree with you Griz but would we truly want to rob someone the experience of their first steroid cycle if they are mature and healthy otherwise? As wrong as my first cycle was I would not want anyone to take that away from me.

If MetalMan has his mind made up then we can either sit on the sideline and watch or we can be instrumental in helping him have the most successful cycle possible. If he chooses not to listen to advice thats on him.... right MetalMan? ;)

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+2 SemperFi. I was not ready

+2 SemperFi. I was not ready for my first cycle. I had poor advice from a friend. The best thing was my curiosity to learn and I found this wonderful site. At that time it was pretty much Sieg, Dolf, Outlaw and DT.  However, They helped me learn and then it all just took off. I read every article I could read and attained as much info as I could before doing my 2nd cycle.. 

From the looks of this thread it doesn't sound like Metalman is ready and by no means has reached his Natty potential.  You do what you have to do brother but listen to us old heads. We are willing to help..

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Dolf, I thought about using

Dolf, I thought about using pen caps and have seen them used in youtube videos but my fear is particles dripping into the powder at a microscopic level, then reconstituting and putting it in my system. But I do believe you when you say you haven't had any problems. I'm just paranoid and have ordered filtered needles for the HCG.

SemperFi, and everyone else who helps thank you! I came to this community to get a better understanding of how to use AAS and while I'm a novice, thats why I ask questions and for opinions on what to do with whatever gear I purchase. This helps this site grow and the beginners become knowledgeable with time and in turn help other beginners here with their goals as well. I believe through you long time members this is what keeps this site alive through reviews of your gear, cycle logs, bloodwork, and what sources to recommend on the source page.

Day 2 today and haven't used the HCG yet or ARO but have ate clean and will work on arms and back later in the afternoon. 

 

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By all means brother...if it makes you feel more secure I'm all for it.  

You should create a cycle log. It's a very useful tool for now and in the future. Plus it'll be a help for another newbie in the future who's looking to run their first cycle.

http://musclegurus.com/node/add/cycles

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Thanks so much Dolf! 

Thanks so much Dolf! 

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YW brotha!

YW brotha!

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X2 cycle log

I can tell you that keeping a cycle log is extremely helpful, you'll get the support most of did not have when we did our first cycle. Like strong, I had bad advice, no support, shit for advice for diet (pretty much eat what you want, including pizza, pasta, and basically crap). Yes I get big and bloated as a damn whale beached for two weeks on the hot sun. 

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Thanks for the support!

Thanks for the support!

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Alright I know its been a

Alright I know its been a while since I last wrote here but I found some weird tiny sized pebbles after using the Test cyp after the 2nd injection during my 1st week. The local guy I bought it from had another gym rat who was sick for a week and it turned out he had a bacterial infection on his arm. I'll call the gym rat "Ed," and he assured me he cleaned his vials every time and his injection site also. I asked if reused needles and he said no. Ed told me he had the same issue with his vial of Test. One of the 3 vials that I bought from my local guy had some weird pebbles or crystals in them. I ran it under water for some time and they're still there so at the risk of it having some bacteria inside, I threw my vials in the trash. I refuse to get sick from a local gym junk source and would rather buy all my gear from here. All my PCT and HCG was bought from the source page here and I ordered some Test vials from there a few days ago. I keep going to the gym in the meantime and eat healthy.

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I will add that you might

I will add that you might want to get more aromasin since you are using hcg it will spike your estrogen levels. So 12.5mgs eod of aromasin works for some everyone is different but when you add hcg you should be using proviron or have more aromasin on hand maybe even some letrozole just Incase. I of course don't know how your body will react to aromitization. I would advise first cycle stick with test and learn how your body reacts to the estrogen conversion. Then next cycle you can prepare for the estrogen spikes from the hcg.

Good luck and good gains brother im always available to help 

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Thanks Bigmurph and Siegmund!

Thanks Bigmurph and Siegmund! Bigmurph, I should stick with the Test Cyp once it gets here and not use hcg at all? I appreciate your advice and everyone's input but wouldn't I need the HCG to prevent my testicles from shrinking? To either use the HCG during a cycle or a blast at the end of cycle is what I read in the PCT page. From what I have read HCG comes from a woman and ya can spike up estrogen in people. Thats why I have the ARO and haven't bought any other AI but I have seen Letro and Arimidex. You're right everyone is different and some respond well to one medicine while others need something else. When looking at the Adex on one of the source pages it was at a smaller dose if I remember correctly. I am going to use the ARO at 12.5 for sure EOD into my 2nd or 3rd week and I will get a different AI to be on the safe side. Going through the articles here they say Letro is for extreme cases of gyno?

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becareful. i wouldnt use it.

becareful. i wouldnt use it. unless you need it. ,, watch for signs of e2. 

myself for example. i really dont need use a ai. , and dolf. he must use a ai.  .

you need to monitor yourself. watch for signs. and then i would use i would keep a log on this. , and this cycle sets the rythm. for the rest of them. ...this your learni g experience.  

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Siegmund, I'll watch for the

Siegmund, I'll watch for the signs of gyno like puffy nipples, an itch or soreness in the same area. I know PCT is use to bring natural test levels back after a cycle but HCG is only for testicular shrinkage prevention? Or does HCG have any more benefits on a test cycle?

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Hcg will also assist in

Hcg will also assist in getting your natural test going. When running long cycles  (16+ weeks) hcg is a must if you're a pct guy.