That's prami...not trying to say I told you, but...lol prami sucks ass!
Get some caber bro, and you'll have no worries with sides.
X2. Caber is chill. I have felt drowsy on it, but libido goes nuts. Nothing weird at all. I read about prami and steered clear because it can cause weird sides. Thanks for the report TKC. Sorry about the insanity shit. Sounds horrible
I hear ya both. Live n learn. It has been a very weird and not fun experience .... one I will not forget. I thought I was golden when I didn't feel any nausea .... but a week in things got very weird. Strange electrical buzz feeling in my head ... felt like my head was vibrating. Odd feeling all day long. Difficulty telling what was real and what was not .... total disassociation from reality Like all the bad feelings of a bad acid trip (and I remember those from my college days) .... and the worst part is that this has persisted even after stopping the stuff. It is dissipating very slowly. The electrical buzz is less intense now but it has been replaced with some major anxiety. It seems like I totally fucked up my brain chemistry and now my brain is trying to balance things out again. I assume it will take a little while longer to feel like myself again. My online research pegs these symptoms as typical DAWS dopamine agonist withdrawal symptoms .... but seriously, would I be experiencing withdrawal after only being on prami for 8 days? Needless to say I will NEVER touch the stuff again and I will recommend alternate methods of prolactin control to anyone who asks ..... and it hasn't escaped me the fact that you all told me to avoid this stuff and go with caber. I will heed all the warnings from the MG Family hence forth. One hell of a weird trip.
Another disadvantage of prami is it needs to be ramped up and down. Your sudden stopage of prami probably made the issues worse. Like you said brotha...live and learn!
Reminds me of when i used to take ambien regularly. I was all out of sorts while awake. Shit was weird as hell. Same weird sensation in my brain, and reality was very askew.
After all the reading. Caber was odered and in hand berfore first NPP shot. Its a good idea to keep a few different AI's on hand. . I keep on hand at all times Adex, aero, Caber, nolva, clomid, for if in any instantace one is NOT doing the trick Something in that box will do the trick. If you could go.with Caber, its still pretty easy to get and its worth its weight in gold.
X2 & +2...I keep adex, aro, caber, and nolva on hand at all times. Getting these in pharm grade is a bit more expensive, but well worth it. I find a source running a good promo, and rack up.
I have some in pharma grade and some not. Goal is to have all pharma grade in soon future. I know some UGL's make great products and dont doubt somes quality. But like.you said why not get pharma grade. when you need it you dont want to start guessing is it dosed right. Because as you know over dosed can be worse then under. Merry Christmas brother and Merry Christmas to All fellow MG brother and sisters !
very true +2
It's definitely imperative to purchase a nice, fat stock of on and post cycle support before jabbing. You just never know if the postal service will deliver your package in time.
I been waiting a month on pharma grade Proviron. I ordered thinking it would come as the others did. That was a big negative. Over a month still dont have it. . Ill just save it for next go round. You know.
Alway have multiple AI's on hand. I do the same as Mleblanc.
Now .... I need to find a reliable source for caber who can get it here in a descent amount of time. So far no prolactin issues and I have been keeping E2 in check with asin since the start .... but I tossed the prami in the trash so no DA on hand at all now. If issues arise before I get caber I will stop the npp .... short ester should solve the issue soon enough. I have read that many don't end up needing a DA with npp at the dosage I am running (450mg / Week) .... but still need to get caber to have on hand. Anyone feel like PM'n me a reliable domestic source ?
We're 15lbs apart, I am 6-2 250lbs.
So to answer the first question of how much to pin where and when.....
I put 3ml in my rear felt, lateral felt, or front. I use a 1" 23g needle. Ive put 5ml in my delta at once before without pain.
My VG i do 5ml on the regular with never an issue.
My quad- I rarely pin quads, but can take 5ml without issue.
Next, I run 300mg of NPP with great results. I don't go much higher then that ever, not that I can't, but I've always had good results at 300mg. I do run other items with it often like EQ or Primo.
The most i ever put in my quad was 3cc. After i did it i was like, i sure hope I didnt mess up. Lol But all was fine no problems. But 5cc. Oh crap. Did you slowly work your way up to that ? Also i been wanting to pin in my shoulders ( just for a new spot) but scared since its a virgin muscle, that i wont be able to move my arms. Do you use a certain techinque for shoulders, like a slin pin ? Thanks in advance.
My techniques is Username: Queen Lean.... LOL
My girl pins my rear delt and lateral delt. She usually pins my front too. But if I do it, I do it in my mirror at my sink. I watch my self stick and then stare at the oil to see how long I have left. lol.
My delts are my favorite.
Oh Boy ... Okay ... So this is an awesome thread by the way, and right up my alley. So, I'll throw in my 2 cents take it or leave it. First off TKC, if this is your FIRST TIME taking NPP, start with 300mg/week 100mg EOD. Not only to assess your tolerance, 300mg is a great dose as you'll see the effects it has. On cycle, I'm almost your weight at 5'8 lean and 100mg EOD is enough.
Next, if you don't have a fast acting Test Ester, thus only Test Enanthate, you MAY want to wait 2 weeks before starting your NPP until your test enanthate has started kicking in. Also, I recommend 375mg-450mg per week of Test when combining it with the NPP, again, great dose! Also, pinning test enanthate EOD along with the NPP is just fine and even great with blood levels as this is my normal practice with NPP and Test Cyp. So, taking both together will be okay and IMO better on blood levels as I've followed my blood work closely on this protocol.
Next ... Ancillaries. Always have on hand, Aromasin or Arimidex (IMO works best for Estrogen). If you have issues with Prolactin, then caber is the way to go. I won't even get into the argument of caber and prami so don't ask my opinion.
Next ... Pinning. I wouldn't use anymore than 1ml in each delt muscle at a time. Quads and glutes I wouldn't shoot anymore than 2-3ml at at time (As 3ml would be the upper limit and even that I think is too much at one site). I personally pin quads and glutes with a 6 site rotation. Chest? Not going to even state my opinion on that.
Remember, sometimes less is better, as mentioned by Mister A. My go to cycle off-season is a longer ester with the fast acting NPP, and I've done this kind of cycle for years. I am a high level competitor. There's a lot of great information on here, and I respect each and everyone's opinion. You guys are awesome, keep up the great threads.
LESS IS MORE!!!!!!!
Nice info TC. Thanks for your input. I am a big guy and I always figured with npp at least the weekly dosage was more effected by weight / body mass than other compounds. Hence me running it at 450mg / week. I was actually considering bumping it up a tad more to 525mg / week for the last few weeks to see how it goes. So far my system is liking npp ... zero pip, no real issue to speak of other than last night a slight sign of prolactin increase. Nothing I can't mitigate however. Gonna be wrapping this up in about 3 weeks anyway .... then its cruise time before hitting it hard again. I'm really liking npp so I may just run the same protocol again. Haven't tried anything other than Test and Npp .... as far as oils are concerned. Winny and Var have been in the mix throughout this cycle as well .... loved Var ... not impressed with the Winny though. Each person is different and compounds effect everyone differently I know. But, welcome .... feel free to keep tossing in your words of wisdom. I am here to learn as much as I can.
Feeling a little better now .... a good MG Brother sent me some of his stash of Caber since my order has still not arrived ... after nearly 3 weeks. I could tell prolactin was on the rise ... E2 is in check because of the Aromasin but the npp did raise my prolactin thats for sure. Started Caber 2 days ago and things should be back where they are supposed to be fairly soon .... may be placebo but I feel better already. Gotta love this MG Family! Always there to help a guy in need. I only hope to be able to return the favor to someone in need.
Giving group of generous men and women for sure.
I did not see it mentioned and sorry if I miss it but....
Have you had any blood work done? If so, the results?
No blood work recently. However I have that planned for about 2 weeks from now. Based on the last couple blood tests and corresponding those results with how I was feeling and other misc symptoms I have developed a good ability to be fairly accurate about my E2 levels based on how I feel and other misc symptoms. I have my aromasin dialed in just about perfectly also. So as far as E2 is concerned I am all good there. The prolactin issue is new to me considering I am new to npp ... but I have a very scientific mind and am good with deductive reasoning .... so based on a ton of research and how I feel / symptoms I can say that my Prolactin was on the higher end. Started to experience some ED issues .... not full blown malfunction but about 50% of normal, my nips started to get sensitive (in a different way than when E2 is raised ...hard to explain), and to add to that my lady told me I was starting to act like I was PMSing ... so the emotional side effects of elevated prolactin were present. I did not lactate so it didn't get that far thank God. Things are coming back into range now after adding the caber so I am back on track. Just need to shake this cold that has had me down the past 3 days and I will be all-good.
My order of caber still has not arrived but thanks to the generosity of one of our Brothers here I have enough caber to make it through to the end of this cycle. Only have about 3 weeks left and then I am out of npp. Still wanna get my caber in because I really love npp and will be running it again in the future. And I will NEVER touch prami again lol
Caber starts working quickly, and is so much easier on you sides wise.
Amen Brother! Feeling better now and the sides I got from Prami a while back were no good ..... like a bad batch of acid .... messed my head up big time. Nothing at all like that with the caber. Live and learn.
HEARTBURN ! Couldn't figure out why I have been having insane heartburn the past week ... then I did a little research and its all quite clear at the moment. Hard to wrap you mind around something that never sees your stomach can cause heartburn but it is what it is. NPP is the culprit. Got some prilosec and problem solved. Interesting stuff .... to me at least.
Many of us will get heartburn from different compounds. It is pretty common.