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how far into a cycle of say

how far into a cycle of say test cypinate would you wait before you had a blood test done?

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PCT

Hi,
newb here - hello!!
Read different accounts regarding PCT, 2 weeks before last Test or 2 weeks after?
And also what would the difference be between 8/10/12 week cycle?
and lastly combining all the bits listed, whats the average cost?
thanks in advance!!

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Please make intro

Then after your intro you can add these questions into it or start a new thread and your questions will be answered.

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Hi,I did click on the reply

Hi,
I did click on the reply button to the original post at the top but it sent it to the bottom?
Hopefully getting the hang of it?
thanks for advice!

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Scroll up to the top of the

Scroll up to the top of the page and click on forums. You will see "introduce yourself". Its nice to see in an intro why you came here, your goals, stats: Age, weight, height, Body Fat, prior cycles.

This way we have an idea of your history..

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Great post, covers most of

Great post, covers most of the questions for beginners. Good job.

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thanks

Im really glad I looked on the internet first. I was actually going to get it from a guy I've known for years. Although he was simply going to give me sustanon and dbol and that's it. I had no idea that it was a lot more complicated. I'm starting to think this guy hasn't been doing anything properly as he suggested I do a 6 week cycle and never once told me about post therapy or hcg. I actually accidently stumbled across this on a site that said check our ratings at muscle gurus  thanks guys these forums have been very helpful.

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I'm interested in cost as

I'm interested in cost as well. I can afford it, but I'd like to make a budget. I don't want to leave anything to chance, here. 

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This is the most informative

This is the most informative post I have ever read, thanks for the help T40 and everyone else that answered newbie questions.   

Tulf 

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Was considering PM'ing OP but

Was considering PM'ing OP but he hasn't been on in 4 months. Can anyone give me a ball park of what I can expect to budget for on the list? Keep in mind I'm doing everything through Muscle Gurus, online.

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A few hundred but if you are

A few hundred but if you are going from MG site, choose a couple of suppliers and shop their site. Prices are listed. 

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First cycle

<p>Thank u so much for explained me for first cycle how can i buy please described thanks</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

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Shoot me a PM if you need

Shoot me a PM if you need more help but basically choose from the high rated excellent suppliers listed on this site. Go to their web site and follow the instructions. There is an older thread with a separate site for shots, needle options etc....  Good luck and fyi you get nervous every time you order but it's super easy !  Our guys here are pretty great.

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Turning 40 wrote:

Turning 40 wrote:

Welcome to MG.

I guess you are here looking for information on steroids, where to buy them, and how to use them. Well you have come to the right place!

The first thing you need to know is there are many compounds which are collectively known as ‘steroids’. They are all different, with different strengths and side effects. With time you will learn about these and it is very important that you do your homework. One of the most asked questions on MG is: what should be my first cycle? and where can I source products?

Let me try to answer this but first I have some questions for you:

1. Are you over 21 (ideally over 25)?

2. Are you trying to add muscle (bulking)?

3. Are you in good health (heart, liver or kidneys issues are a big No!)?

4. Have you been seriously training for some time?

5. Is your training diet good?

[The reason for the questions – (1) you do not want to endanger your health (2) Steroids are only 1 factor, they are NOT a magic bullet, if your diet and training is not good then they will have little or no benefit.]

Answered “Yes” to all of the above, good then we can continue!

Cycle 1:

Testosterone Cypionate (TestC) or Enanthate (TestE), 500mg per week for 12 weeks.

This is your steroid. It is a synthetic form of the testosterone your body makes naturally. In men natural test peaks in you early 20’s then falls away (hence why taking steroids younger than 25 is not a great idea as you own test levels are at their peak).

Arimidex (AKA “Adex”) –0.5mg every other day (EOD). OR Aromasin (AKA “aro”) – 12.5mg EOD.

Your body naturally converts some of your test to estrogen. Which is good – you need some estrogen but with elevated test your estrogen levels can rise too, which is bad! Too much estrogen can lead to ‘gyno’ – reduced sex drive, lethargy, bloating and in extreme case ‘bitch tits’! An AI (Aromatase Inhibitor) will prevent this conversion. BUT be careful this is one area which is varies wildly between individuals. Some are prone to gyno so need an AI, some people are almost immune so need very little (if any). You will need to adjust the level depending on how your body reacts.

Clomid & Tamoxifen (AKA Nova).

This is your Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) its job is to restart your natural testosterone production once the synthetic test has left your system. You will therefore begin 2 weeks after your last injection of testosterone.

Your PCT will last 4 weeks:

Dosages: Clomid: First 2 weeks 100mg/day, next 2 weeks 50mg/day.

Tamoxifen: First 2 weeks 40mg/day, next 2 weeks 20mg/day

In summary, you will need:

TestC (or TestE), total of 6,000mg,

Arimidex, total of 21mg, (OR Aromasin, total 525mg)

Clomid, total of 2,100mg,

& Tamoxifen, total of 840mg.

In addition to the compounds above you will need syringes (24, I recommend 2ml), needles (24 for injecting and, if using vials, it is recommended to use a separate needle to draw, so 48 in total. Gauge and length will vary by injection site but generally speaking 1” 23g is good for quads with 1.25” for glutes.) Alco wipes for cleaning the site and vial tops.

OK – So what can I expect to happen?

This is the million dollar question! And again it will vary between individuals based on training, age, genetics, diet and more. Generally speaking - not a lot for the first few weeks. Don't be disheartened, or think you have bought junk, it's normal. The TestC will be building up in your blood as your production of natural test slows. As the concentration of synthetic test exceeds your natural level you will begin to feel (and see) the benefits.

If you don’t already, keep a training log, you should see your old PB’s being surpassed. Depending on your diet you’ll either become more cut, better definition, or increased muscle mass (you may be extremely fortunate and achieve the holy grail of adding muscle and cutting bf, but generally ‘bulking’ and ‘cutting’ are separate cycles). Please DON’T come into this with unrealistic expectations – you only risk disappointment and demotivation. Better to think of your first cycle as a learning experience the gains you make are a bonus. Provided your diet and training are good (sorry but I cannot emphasis this enough!) you will make gains - I promise.

There is a lot to learn on cycle1. The most important thing is how your body reacts. Learn to listen to it. Keep a watch on your sex drive it is a great indicator of what’s happening with your hormones -often before any other signs are evident.

Once your cycle is finished allow your body and in particular your natural test production time to recover before considering cycle 2. As a rule of thumb ‘off-time’ should equal ‘cycle time’ so take a break of at least 12 weeks.

This is the standard, tried and tested, first cycle. Provided the gear is good, and it is administered correctly, it is safe for the virtually everyone. As with regular pharmaceutical products, there are rare occasions people who react badly to compounds. If you experience an adverse reaction please discontinue use immediately and, if serious, seek medical help. This is unlikely but not worth endangering your health for.

Sources:

So you’ve done your homework and want to proceed. Check out the “sources” tab on MG. Here you will find reviews by members of sites and products. There are plenty of scammers on the internet who will either disappear with your cash or send junk gear. The best protection we have against this is for users to share information about who the good guys are, and who to avoid. The top sources are top sources for a reason – plenty of us use them without being scammed. There are no guarantees, no credit card or statutory protection but as a community we watch each others backs and can greatly reduce these risks.

Finally:

Don’t take my word for it, do your own homework, there is a ton of great information on this site, be safe and good luck! This article is a summation of information available on this site and others. It is intended for information only. If you chose to use steroids you do so entirely at your own risk.

And finally a thank you to Dolf for proofing this for me before submission, cheers bro!.

Great post my friend!

 

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