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Spring Cutters

With spring around the corner I know some of you gear heads are planning your cut cycles already. It's never to early. What do you have in mind for this spring?

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For me I will be focusing on

For me I will be focusing on getting more calories from raw foods while focusing my training in the area of body balance strength exercises. I have enough lean mass and wish to preserve it to a reasonable degree with the use of proven diet, OTC’s, TRT and low doses of hGH.

Body fat is sitting just below 11% right now and I don’t see the need to drop to far below 10%. 

Looking forward to seeing what others share in regards to their choice of steroid cycles and read the thinking behind the method of the cycle.

 

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I'm currently running Test E

I'm currently running Test E @ 750mgs and deca at 400mgs and killing this cycle. I Have my spring cycle set that I'm 99% sure I will not Deviate from.  I'm Going with Test e, Tren e and Primo.  I haven't figured out what doses I will be using yet but I have time.  I'm sure it will look something like this: Test E 300mgs Tren 400mgs and primo 400mgs. This cycle will be designed to lose BF and Maintain as much muscle as possible. I have experience with Tren but never used E. From the few I've spoke to that have experience with Primo have told me its the best compound to preserve muscle during a cut.. I have on hand some Tbol and will most likely only use week 2 through 6.. 

There is a slight chance that I will switch out the Tren for NPP..

 

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I found 400mg of Primo enough

I found 400mg of Primo enough for clear lean muscle preservation in the presence of sufficient protein intake. If you are going to incorporate a intermittent fasting period on this upcoming cycle you might want to consider adding plenty of BCAA's during the fasting period. Based on where you started and what you have accomplished it is going to be great to hear your experience and post cycle thoughts.

 

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I had my best fall bulk ever

I had my best fall bulk ever off of just 500 test e and 300 deca. I guess there’s a reason that combo has been around as long as it has. Simple, but effective as hell.

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I've only done Test e and

I've only done Test e and deca 2 cycles and 1 cycle with sust and NPP. These have been my most successful cycles. Tren was great but I felt like shit the whole cycle. Too much Anxiety on Tren for me. I plan on running it very low dose this spring. If I'm feeling anxious I will switch over to NPP. 

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I'm going with the same as

I'm going with the same as last year.

Tpp-700mg & Npp-450mg for 12 weeks then switch over to test p 350mg, tren a 525mg, mast p 700mg, and var for 8 weeks. 

High intensity training, and possibly intermittent fasting diet which I'll start another post on at a later date after some more research.

 

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intermittent fasting worked

intermittent fasting worked well for me. It may be tough wit your work schedule. I found 11am to 7 pm worked well for me.  I played with it for 2 mos. 1 day a week I ate when I wanted too..

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My time would be 8pm to noon.

My time would be 8pm to noon for fasting and noon to 8pm for feeding. 

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I was the leanest I ever was

I was the leanest I ever was while using intermittent fasting. It was tough to maintain muscle. I did lose a bit but I was off cycle for 4 months. 

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I've read some differing

I've read some differing opinions which is why mybpost will be about different guys or gals experiences and methods.

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That's another time... Right

That's another time... Right now its GROWIN SEASON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dolf,

Dolf,

Are you going to use your cut stack blend (TPP/NPP)? I can't believe you are still able to put in those 20 week cycles. I was ready for my last one to be over by the 16th week. Then we have Blaster able to run a 24 week cycle.... You old boys have balls of iron. ;)

 

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Anymore I play it by feel.

Anymore I play it by feel. The tpp/npp isn't hard on me. The tren combo is another story. 

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Var

Dolf,  what are you thinking for the var dosage?

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I wouldn't run var below 60mg

I wouldn't run var below 60mg ed. My sweet spot is 80mg ed. Var is mild which is why it's the choice of females, so as a guy you want to get the most bang for your buck. 

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I just started the leaning

I just started the leaning out phase of the current cycle I'm running. Test p 500, tren ace 700, mast p 700. In about 4 weeks I'll be using T3, clen, and windy. T3 will start at 25 mcg increasing to 50 mcg after one week, then maybe to 75. Winny at 50mg/day. And clen I still need to decide if, and at what protocol. Ive seen ramping up and back down, and 2 weeks on 2 weeks of etc. I'm going to carb cycle too, though I'm not set on exactly how I want to run it, I have a few ideas on the table. This cycle move straight into cruise which will be the SF blend of test e, deca, and primo e. Primo is some good stuff. And just because there's really no neg sides for me anyways, doesn't necessarily mean it's mild.

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If you are committed to

If you are committed to running T3 I advice to taper off and add at least 6.25mg of iodine for 30 days to assist in full thyroid recovery. Call it PCT for your thyroid gland. You could even go as high as 12.5mg for two weeks and then use 6.25mg for two weeks. This pure bro science on my part Blaster but the science on the thyroid glands love affair with iodine should be taken seriously.  Also keep up on your potassium intake as a hyperactive thyroid likes to rob potassium. If you are feeling any degree of weakness it could be associated with low potassium.

Thats a massive dose of Tren.... I would need fins and a snorkel to get out of bed in the morning. ;)

 

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Thanks SF. Actually, I'm

Thanks SF. Actually, I'm supplementing with iodine (225 mcg) after reading one of your posts. I realized that I don't use much if any table salt, so I figured supplementing wouldn't be a bad idea. I take potassium almost daily. 

Tren... the most annoying side for me watching my appetite disappear.

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Hit up Amazon for i-throid.

Hit up Amazon for i-throid. It has a mixture of potassium iodide and free iodine. Dirt cheap also.

Or you can feast on a huge amount of sea kelp.

 

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Will do, it's time to re-up

Will do, it's time to re-up on supps soon anyhow. And time to go give blood too... 

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Yes sir Blast. I just set up

Yes sir Blast. I just set up to donate this Friday. So many variables to the lifestyle we live. Bloodwork, Checking BP, donating is just another part of it. Its certainly important but so is eating properly, working out hard, stretching, etc. We sure are not afraid to give effort.. I love it...

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I think I'll go in on

I think I'll go in on Saturday, maybe they'll stop blowing up my phone. I swear they call me every damn day. They want my platelets because I have A+ blood type. They can have the blood, take 2 pints, but not sitting in a chair to 2-3 hours.

Yeah, so many facets to enjoy in this obscure lifestyle. Little do most know that it's a lifestyle of chasing improvements in all dimensions of our weird existence. One thing affects the other and on it goes. Dude, I even get along with my ex wife now. That there is a damn miracle! I attribute it to this. The focus, the discipline, Sometimes the things line up? 

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Get it done brother..

Get it done brother.. Platelets only take an Hour. My wife did it last time. I am only donating whole Blood. There is no way I'm letting my blood exit my body, run through a machine and back into my body..  That's just me...

I agree with your second paragraph. I lifted my whole life minus some stints. I have been so committed for the last 3-1/2 years its amazing. I have to give credit to members/friends on MG.. We really are a tight group that hold each other accountable. I am excited about life again. My fitness goals of 2018 are lofty. I will meet them and then spiral into higher expectations.  I was told once that my expectations of others are too high. I don't think so. Maybe I was just around the wrong people. This lifestyle amongst all you fine Guys/girls has made me want to be better in every facet...  Thanks Friends... 

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You can't expect sheep to be

You can't expect sheep to be like a wolf ;)

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But... with the right support

But... with the right support system any sheep can be a wolf. ;) People will surprise you with the correct leadership and inspiration. Will power is a dead end road. Resolve is a guaranteed ticket to success.

 

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Can't fly with eagles hanging

Can't fly with eagles hanging around with turkey's 

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I finally donated last week. 

I finally donated last week.  My phone and email had been blowin up too.  Whole blood for me only though .... I'm with Strong on this one .... not so keen on my blood going out and through that machine and then back into my body .... something about them bringing the machine to the local high school gym and setting it up for a one day blood drive makes me think of the carnival coming to town and the dilapidated rollercoaster they set up in the middle of the night.  I just don't trust it.  

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Ive done the machine thing I

Ive done the machine thing I think twice. I felt very cold, and weird for the rest of the day. I craved red meat something fierce, even though they only took white blood cells. Ive also donated marrow a bunch of times, but was paid for it, $500 for a half hour of strange sensations. Once, the no wore off and I just had to deal with pain. Almost as bad as getting a tooth pulled with no pain killer. The thing they jab you with is about the size of a 16p nail. Good thing I'm not afraid of needles.

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As far as aas is concerned

As far as aas is concerned platelet donations do nothing to lower bp by reducing rbc count which is what running gear causes to get elevated. If your hematicrit is 48 or below then platelets are a life saver for cancer and burn patients. If your hematocrit is elevated above 48 then regular or double rbc donation is a lifesaver for yourself. Once you go over 54 they will not take your blood.

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The iodine in table salt is

The iodine in table salt is minimal and is not absorbed by the body very efficiently. A supp is definitely the way to go. 

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be carefull with t3 bro! i

be carefull with t3 bro! i killed my tyroid system 5 years ago when i used simmilar ammounts like you planed. i tappered out (maybe to quick and stayed too long on it) and something bad started. my tyroid secretion started overboosting and did not stop anymore. it got toxic. after some serious probs i was forced to cut out my tyroid. they took it off. now i have to use tabs. i do not recommend t3 without hgh. if you want still use it... dont go over 4 weeks. tyroid system is very sensitive and instable. tapper in and out carefully. dont exeed too much. better stay away from it fella!

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How long did you run the T3

How long did you run the T3 when you ended up with the thyroid condition? What was your highest dose and for how long at that dose before tapering out?

 

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i run t3 often in the past.

i run t3 often in the past. usually only after bloodwork in combination with hgh. so it was depending on the hgh rates. but it changed between 25mcg in the beginning up to 100mcg. never had issues. but bloodwork every few weeks were needed to make amount correct. i tried alwasy to stay in the upper ref area and not exeed too much. if that happend i reduced.

last time when everything crushed i did not use it with hgh. i started as always with 12.5 mcg. 3 days later 25mcg. 1 week later 50mcg. another week later 75mcg. and than same way out. i did not realize the crush directly. after a lot of tremor and sickness and other sides i did a bloodwork. my tyroid was grown drastic and overboosting like hell.

 

i had longer periods at higher rates... but that time it crushed badly. you can not be sure to be safe. i really do not recommend in hobby use.

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I plan to use it for about 4

I plan to use it for about 4 weeks to get a feel for it. Ive read elsewhere that some taper up quickly, after 2-4 days. I'm going to move with a little more care, run 25 for a week, see how that feels, and increase to 50. I may stop there. Just have to gauge the effects. I also want to run it for the experience. 

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bro... my english is not that

bro... my english is not that good. i would like to describe in detail how quick you can damage and how less controll you only have with tyroids. what worked last year can crush everything tommorow. it is simply a very closed and sensitive system. the older you get, the more instable and risk you have. i really cant recommend you to use t3 without the need for it. if you dont listen... you need strict bloodwork every 2 weeks. specially you need one, better 2 bloodworks before using tyroid. you must know your natural scores. you need to do bloodwork 2 weeks after changing the ammount and you need bloodwork 3-4 weeks twice after ending cycle.  as i told before, when i used pharma hgh in amounts like 8-12 iu daily, i was forced to use t3. otherwise i would have gone in other probs. the benefit without hgh is not that big in relation to its risks. i cant explain to you like would like because of the language barrier. so try to read more about tyroids. i can only see a benefit in t3 with hgh. without i would not think about.

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Kitten, I think your English

Kitten, I think your English is excellent Bro. Don't sweat that shit bro. You have shown to be knowledgeable and a gentleman. Good to have you here..

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X2 with strong...your English

X2 with strong...your English is fine and I understand you perfectly so don't sweat it brother!

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As suggested, I've begun

As suggested, I've begun looking into the gh-T3 relationship. Its an interesting subject, and in a nutshell, it seems that gh suppresses T3, so taking exogenous T3 may be indicated while taking gh. On the other hand, it appears that T3 upregulates gh and igf-1 without supplementing gh or igf-1. On a brief reading, it seems that T3 supplementation makes gh more effective for anabolism. But, I havent found any documentation leading to the notion that supplementing T3 requires gh supplementation. I'm wondering if, based on your experience, that you may have already had a bad thyroid thus the ensuing complications you had after taking both. I'm going to continue to pursue research in the interactions between the two hormones. Oops, forgot to mention that there were more adverse effects related to exogenous T4 and gh which resulted in problems with natural T3 production.

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It is a very difficult

It is a very difficult synergy that is hard to get a perfect answer for. Each can have dual effects.... i.e.. T3 can decrease the anabolic effect of gh and it can also increase it. As with everything we play with the research is limited and the interactions are so complex there may never be a definitive clear cut answers. Like you Blaster I have not done enough research to know if GH should be part of a stand alone T3 cycle. I have only heard that GH supplementation is benefited from the addition of T3. Some of the reasoning is to combat the possible effects of gh onset hypothyroidism and also to multiple the effectiveness of the gh.

The rabbit hole is so deep on most of this stuff it is easy to get distracted or lean in a certain direction of belief. It makes sense to remain cautious and keep at least one leg on the responsible side of the fence.

 

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Your english is excellent

Your english is excellent brother.

Those who are competing are forced by the nature of the game to abuse themselves with supplementation. Just to remain competitive they are literally killing themselves. Kitten, I am not saying that you cannot screw your thyroid up with a single simple cycle of T3 but if I was a betting man I would say that your personal thyroid health was due to the cumulative abuses that were forced upon you by the industry to remain competitive. You experiences are a good measure for all of us to seriously consider and might even lead us to reconsider some of our decisions in regards to supplementation and personal health. Good, bad or ugly keep sharing from your own personal knowledge and experience.

 

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I now take Synthroid

I now take Synthroid/levothyroxine for  hypothyroidism. I dose 25mcg a day on an empty stomach upon rising. I am sure that my Thyroid was underperforming after bloodwork with my Dr.  25mcg is a maintenance/replacement dose, sort of like 200mgs of cyp for low T. I don't think you will see much from 25Mcg. Start there and ramp it up..  You do what you think is best but i'd say don't mess with it... I ran Clen a few years ago and was thinking of adding T3 but read too many stories of peoples Thyroid not coming back to function...

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thanks for the comolements

thanks for the complements gentlemen. appreciate that.

i noticed that i expressed myself wrong. i agree with both of you. if you use gh, specially higher dosages like 8 or more i.u (some will already need t3 with 4-6iu) you will need tyroid supplementation. otherwise you wont see the benefits 100% and further you will decrease your secretion into a crush or deep underfunction. the interessting thing is... you can receive complete opposite reaction. you can just as turn into a overboosting after setting down t3. that happend right after tappering it out to me. depending on so many things we cant control.  if you use gh, you are simply forced at some special time to do bloodwork and supplement tyroid hormones. usually the requirement is growing with the igf levels. thats what i always observed in my bloodworks. and i did many;) i did not want to say that you need gh for using t3. as you said you need tyroids when administrating gh. it is correct that there are synergetic effects. but not really interesting for us. 

 

the other thing is... my tyroid system was ok for 15 years. never had issues. i always worked proffesionaly with bloodwork and never exeeded sensible scores. but i got older, my body got older and more sensitive due aas, gh and peptides supplementation. after years, we start reacting stronger than the years before. that happens to all of us. i call it a naturall law. and if you destroy your tyroid by supplementing it wrong (and the problem is still, you cant be sure you doing it right until you start and than you will see later) you will increase the range of  complications due our tyroid system is such a complex binded system to so many other processes in our bio... just think well dude. i dont want to scare... just wanted to show danger. i hope other guys read this later too and start thinking and changing so this is a important exchange ;)

 

 

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 Its forum threads like this

 Its forum threads like this that make me very glad to be back here at MG.  Being away for the past 8 months or so I slowly forgot how much value this site has to offer and just how much can be learned from the Family here.  We are all in this iron game for different reasons but it is truly a blessing to have the support and sometimes "tough love" reality checks that the MG Family dishes out.  Just had to post this .... Damn glad to be back.  ....and Kitten your English is just fine.  Glad to have your wise input here. 

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We are glad to see our brother back as well!

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many thanks and welcome back!

many thanks and welcome back!

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Glad to see u back Brother..

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Come on guys. I know more of

Come on guys. I know more of you are planning spring cutters! Tell us what you have in mind.

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my spring is a never ending

my spring is a never ending story bro. so i stay lean most of the time ;)

but i can tell one thing. methenolone is one of the most underrated gear for these purposes. most dudes dose it too low and get disappointed. methenolone starts to show its benefits by 600 - 800 mg/week. old storys and myths let people think that primo has low potency but it depends really on dosing. if your bodyweight is 220lb you cannot expect much from 400mg/week. try 800 and show patience while building slow but very quality gains. i always prefer lean and density... i mean tightness in muscles. so good for spring in my opinion:) maybe thats why i am doing it not the first and not the last time.

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