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From what I understand, 400

From what I understand, 400 mgs of Primo would be great on a cut cycle to preserve muscle.  600 to 800 mgs is more fore lean gains. I have it in my top drawer for this Spring..

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yes for preserving purposes

yes for preserving purposes 400mg might be enough. it can even be enough for lean building. but depends on your bodyweight and your whole development/constitution and some other facts. so hard to make a general statement for dosing.

keep us informed about your decisions;)

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I’m planning a spring cutter,

I’m planning a spring cutter, but I’m torn. I have always enjoyed the Prop/NPP & the Prop/Tren, but I’m wanting to do some serious cutting. I’ve been researching the benefits of Primo & many have said they were able to gain & at least maintain muscle while on a calorie deficient diet. I have gained some good muscle mass & especially my upper body this cycle, but my body fat has also been higher than I know it should be. Soooooo, I’m seriously considering a long ester cycle instead of shorts & running Test/Primo/Var & possibly adding some Tren A the last 6-8 weeks to see how the compliment each other.

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You opposed to adding clen to

You opposed to adding clen to the last 6 to 8 weeks as well? 

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I ran Clen 2 times.   1 was

I ran Clen 2 times.   1 was the 2 week on 2 week off method. Ehhh........ Then I ran it 5 straight weeks with Ketotifen.   Very effective but Clen is a nightmare for me.. 

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Luckily the only side I get

Luckily the only side I get is pumps in my upper back at 100mcg+ and taurine takes care of that issue. For me when combined with tren and diet the bf melts off. 

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I get massive cramps. Neck

I get massive cramps. Neck/jaw, Upper Back, Calves lock up in the morn. Hand tremors, sleeplessness, The list goes on... It was effective in helping me melt fat but I have to be done with it. 

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I get the hand tremors as

I get the hand tremors as well, but to avoid sleep issues I take upon waking up in the morning. 

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I hear you..  I only used it

I hear you..  I only used it during 2 cuts. I was running tren, prop, var... I cant blame all the sleepless nights on the Clen.. 

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the same with me. very bad

the same with me. very bad cramps and the neck is killing. i can soften these sides by adding pharma grade magnesium to my supps. you need more minerals while using clen.

clen is moving a lot of them out of the cells by sweating and heating them. simply you loose many minerals with clen. further clen rises your muscle tonus. also not good for well beeing.

look at the sympthomes for magnesium defiency. you will find things such as head ache, tremor, cramps and sleeping issues. now look at the sides of clen ;)

so magnesium is important when administrating clen. so i recommend to start adding magnesium a few days before starting with clen. on the other hand... take magnesium a few days longer than the last clen.

dolph already said, for sleep issues... the last clen should be taken about 4 o clock. but this will only help a little bit cause of the half life of clen. i recommend in that purposes to take some sublingual melatonin 3mg. 30 mins before bedtime. that can help. i had noticed some benefits in the past. and last but not least... you really need to drink at least 1liter more than usual by working with clen. that will reduce headache, neck jaw and cramps aswell. 

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Yes sir, I use liquid

Yes sir, I use liquid minerals In my water. I upped th minerals while on Clen. It was effective as far as fat loss but I just couldn't stop the cramps. As a hobby bodybuilder I figured to not use Clen.

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Clen is on my list of can't

Clen is on my list of can't use items for the exact reasons Strong stated. No matter my increase of electrolytes, minerals and H2O I still experience neck and jaw cramps. Even at low doses of clen.

 

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yes i can picture it out. i

yes i can picture it out. i prefer also not to use them in future. found better ways as described obove.

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wise decision mate... it is a

wise decision mate... it is a very individual thing. if you cant reduce the sides, better stop using.

 

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after reducing your bodyfat

after reducing your bodyfat under 10% you could think about supplementing yohimbin hcl and high dose l-carnitine for the last 4 weeks. seriously this will help sharpening. in low carb and cal deficite situation yohimbin hcl has many benefits. 

i think with lowered bodyfat in low carb it works better than clenbuterol. further... lcarnitin 6000mg per administration 60min before cardio will help moving fat out of the cells and force it as energy supplier. you can take another 3000mg before bedtime. 

sometimes we dont spend enough attention to some non aas substances. but some are quiet usefull;)

 

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kitten wrote:

kitten wrote:
sometimes we dont spend enough attention to some non aas substances. but some are quiet usefull;)

We can also go broke over supplementing with over the counter supplements. ;) These are great suggestions kitten and completely agree that many supplements are very useful.

At the end of the day I had to seriously reconsider my REAL goals and attempt to only supplement as needed to meet those goals. I have been simplifying my supplement regimen for sometime now and focusing on a very nutrient rich diet. I no longer am starving to compete and am simply looking to perform, feel and look good. Many of the supplements I used to take no longer lineup or are unneeded for me to achieve and maintain my real goals.

 

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Thanks brother & I will do

Thanks brother & I will do some research! +1

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I am gonna run another test

I am gonna run another test cycle, this time test p instead of c at 500mg/wk. for another 12 weeks. Eating at a deficit obviously, adding cardio to the regimen . Thinking about throwing in some var for the last few weeks but we will see. I am currently having so much success on this cycle with just the chicken and rice, so I think I 'm just going to stick with that and adjust calories as needed.

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The test p vs cyp will

The test p vs cyp will definitely help keep bloat out of the equation.

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Taking cider vinegar daily

Taking cider vinegar daily will help with water retention and stomach bloat if it becomes an issue also. Cheap and somewhat effective plus the PH balancing effects.

 

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I guess you learn something

I guess you learn something new ed!

Drinking 1.5 gallons of water per day will too.

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Cider vinegar replenishes

Cider vinegar replenishes potassium. Potassium reduces sodium in the body.

Water intake.... best flushing agent we have in our arsenal.

 

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We have it at home. My uses

We have it at home. My uses it but I've never tried it.

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Actually I would welcome some

Actually I would welcome some advice.

I am looking to move past just Test on this my third cycle and my main goal is 'cutting'. Would hate to lose much size but would love to lose that last bit of fat and get down in the 8% range from 14% bf.

So I was thinking 600mg of Test C and 50mg Anvar.

I have 200 - 10mg tablets of Anvar and plenty of Test C.

I have read Anvar should be taken at 50-80mg a day minimum and for a maximum of six weeks.

Any advice? More Test or more Anvar or add something else? Good combo? Bad combo? As you know I truly welcome the input.

I also have Arimadex and Letro (oral) for gyno fears.

Diet will be 1,500 calories a day. Lift four days a week, Yoga three days a week, bicycle or jog four days a week. Sauna at least two days a week. I could elaborate but I don't want to go too long. Thanks in advance.

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A steady state of 1500 cals

A steady state of 1500 cals per day is pretty steep deficit. I would suggest looking into carb cycling so you don't destroy your metabolism. Slow weight loss equals long lasting results. Its not going to be so much the compounds, its going to be your approach to diet foremost that will yield the results your seeking. SF put up a carb cycle post outlining the approach. I used it too with excellent results. Poke around you'll find it :)

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YEARS of wrestling....diet is

YEARS of wrestling....diet is never my struggle.

Weight gain can be....but I have kept off 90lbs for three years now so I feel good about that side.

Gained 8 over holidays and got back to 198. I truly want to see 175 and hopefully 170 without too much loss of strength or size. and honestly I have that much still sitting on my left over potbelly HAHAHA. Kinda serious though. That's the main goal to shrink that down to just loose skin.  But I sincerely thank you for the calorie advice!

PS: side question: I can't get the site to let me load new photos. It errors out every time. Is this part of the new upgrade?

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Yes sir...bugs from building

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MG has the clap for a little

MG has the clap for a little while. She’s a dirty old girl, but we still love her...

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Lmao!

Lmao!

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Thanks Dolf. Glad to know I

Thanks Dolf. Glad to know I am not just a total putz :-)

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