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Sust/testC and winstrol

Hello, looking for some Input. I’ve been on a couple high dose (high for me) TestC/Deca cycles 800mg a week 350mg a week 12 week cycles. Now I’m not sure if it is a waste of gear on those Cycles. Honestly. I didn’t see much of an increase in strength or size than when I’m on 600mg and 300mg respective. is there just a limit Your body can use? I’m 6’4” 257 14.5 BF. Also, I’ve had great  gains with 350 Sust and 300 TestC a week for 12 weeks and  I’m even thinking of going back to that and adding winstrol for first 5 weeks of 12 week cycle. Take 2 weeks off in the middle of the Winstrol, then last 5 weeks back on 50mg a day. Sorry a lot of questions, I just can’t get my mind to stop chasing the ball. 

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No need to keep chasing the

No need to keep chasing the ball brother. Go back to all the basics and revisit the times you had the most success. Less is sometimes more. ;)

We are all different and most of us are limited by our gene expression and genetics. So yes.... there is a limit that your body can use. 

Maybe there is something outside of steroid use that is hindering your results. Discipline, time, consistency, methods.... etc. These things are all under our control. I recommend finding the weak link in your cycles.

 

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Thanks for the reply

 The difference for me on my heavy I was tired all the time. I mean once I got in the gym I was good, but just lethargic. but damn  could push weight. Just tired AF. 

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Not another fucking marine! ; )

The answer to your question is yes. There is a point with each and every compound that you get the most bang for your buck. Past that point returns start dimenishing. 1000mg of test will not yeid double the results of 500mg.

A tip that might help you get and kerp more gains is that deca is a very long estered compound. At 12 weeks you have pretty much just reached peak blood levels, and then you are stopping your cycle. If you run deca for 16 weeks you will take advantage of peak blood levels for about 5 weeks. If you are a pct guy your test should be ran two weeks longer than the deca.

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Don't forget frontloading the

Don't forget frontloading the dosing will speed up blood level peak ETA. 

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Ahhh yes...front loading. Not

Ahhh yes...front loading. Not something you see very much anymore, but an effective way to speed up peak blood levels. I haven't front loaded for a few years now, but I mostly cycle short esters anymore. To be honest I actually enjoy feeling the slow build up to peak levels of test, deca, and eq.

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Call me old school then.  I

Call me old school then.  I have always frontloaded longer esters. Call me impatient.

Plus there is nothing like the day after pain from the extra large volume first injection at the start of a cycle to let you know your alive lol!

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One of my best cycles ever

One of my best cycles ever was an eq cycle I front loaded. 

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Hey! thanks for all the input! a lot of info. Yeah  USMC for sure  21 years. Ret. Rah Kill!

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Thank you for 21yrs of

Thank you for 21yrs of service Brother in Arms! We have many vets here...

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16 weeks...

running 16 vice 12 weeks, I’ll give that a go  to be honest  I’ve always been a 3 month on 3 months off guy  12 weeks was what I was taught  and just never thought out of the box. 

 

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Like everything else the

Like everything else the science behind it evolves. Review sites have really changed the game. Between science, personal experiences, and communities full of members with different aspects and experiences cycling has evolved to be safer and more productive. I hope you kick your feet up and become an active part of a good tight knit community! 

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Also brother that's a lot of

Also brother that's a lot of weeks running oral winny which is a c17 and liver toxic. Injectable winny would be a better option, and a low dose of deca or npp to keep your joints from drying out and aching.

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Ii hear you.

got a good friend who swears by the 50mg of Winstrol every day for 5 weeks, two weeks off then 50mg for the last 5 weeks. Right now I’m only have Oral winstrol  and I like it.  I just double up on water intake No real drying out on Winstrol  I might throw in Deca as suggested  as a cautionary since this is longer than I normally take Winstrol  (usuall 7 weeks max) plus I love Deca.. 

 

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Good friends have gotten me

Good friends have gotten me in lots of trouble before lol

You may already know this, but all oral steroids are c17's. A c17aa is a synthetic alteration at the 17th carbon. It allows the steroid to make it through the liver on the first pass. Basically makes it more bioavailable. The good side of this process is it allows the compound to get past the liver and into your blood. The bad part of this is it makes the oral steroid toxic to your liver. Just because you can't feel or see it happening doesn't mean it's not happening. You'll need more than water to help protect your liver. 6 weeks is usually the max for oral steroids due to liver toxicity. Two weeks off is not enough for liver recovery. If you don't believe me order bloodwork to check your enzymes after two weeks off and see where you stand.

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Good advice.

You are absolutely correct. Bad choices seem to be influenced by friends... or Marines.(humor)  i am very much on top of liver health. I take mike thistle drink super greens every morning (wheat grass, chlorella, barley) raw honey everyday. Most of my blood work I do before oral. Then after. to see the results. I know Winstol is C17, but I really feel good on it. Abomb on the otherhand makes me completely feel like shit and BP is through the roof. I might rethink this. Just jump on it the last 7 weeks. Thanks for the advice. You got me thinking...

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Just an old army dog looking

Just an old army dog looking out for an old leatherneck. 

Adrol has a tendency to make you feel like shit. In the last few years dbol and adrol fuck my bp. A good combo to alleviate the feeling like shit is to take dbol with adrol. If you typically take 50mg adrol take 25mg of drol and 25mg dbol. It doesn't do shit for bp though. 

What's your opinion of masteron? Mast works very similarly to winny without the liver issue. 

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25mg of Dbol and Abomb

i will have to give that a try. Once again, out of the box thinking. I never mixed Orals because I thought it would be twice as bad for some reason :)) to be honest, never tried Mast. Heard different things on it, but if it’s close to Winstrol I’ll give it a try. I love Winny... just get rock solid as a MFr...

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50mg of a c17 is 50mg of a

50mg of a c17 is 50mg of a c17. 

Winny does dry you out like a motherfucker, and gives great muscle hardness! The joint issues are the problem for most. Mast, var, and to a certain extent tbol does as well.

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Masteron is a great compound

Masteron is a great compound for muscle hardness and increased vascularity. It may cause one to grow a ton of body hair, or cause male pattern balding if one is susceptible. It can also cause swelling of the prostate. I use it every cycle, not that everyone should. I don't get dry joints from it. Effective dose seems to be 400-700mg per week, I stick with 700 myself. Most will say that to really get the benefit for masteron, the bf% should be no higher than 12%, though sub-10, it really shines. It also controls shbg thus freeing up more test to bind to target receptors.

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Good advice.

You are absolutely correct. Bad choices seem to be influenced by friends... or Marines.(humor)  i am very much on top of liver health. I take mike thistle drink super greens every morning (wheat grass, chlorella, barley) raw honey everyday. Most of my blood work I do before oral. Then after. to see the results. I know Winstol is C17, but I really feel good on it. Abomb on the otherhand makes me completely feel like shit and BP is through the roof. I might rethink this. Just jump on it the last 7 weeks. Thanks for the advice. You got me thinking...

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I want to make sure I read

I want to make sure I read your post correct. You ran cycles of Sust and Test C at the same time? If so, throughout the entire cycle or just used the Sust as a kicker in the beginning.

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Yes you read correctly.

I run both Sust and TestC  been one of my favorite stacks  have been for a while. Just like the feeling the feeling it gives me. best Gains and denisity  my log reads like this “Feel fucking strong as fuck” pretty much every day on that cycle 

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"Feel fucking strong as fuck"

"Feel fucking strong as fuck"

Lmao...can't argue with that...

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Can't argue with FFSF,! and

Can't argue with FFSF,! and you can run your cycles how ever you like it just seemed odd to me stacking test with test.

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Long med short esters.

I have found the Sust gives me a kick pretty much every time I pin it. Why I like it. Plus for me it gives me a bit more of a blend, a super blend if you want. The short/med esters kick in quick and long I can get to 650mg of total test. Been my favorite for years.