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sustanon dose

I see some more talk about sus vs tne but I wanted to throw another topic out here. I have read that many pop sus longer periods like once a week I have always ran popping every third day. Opinions?

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I have never had any

I have never had any experience using sustanon and personally have never even considered it. Maintaining peak blood level stability is always my goal when using any steroid so injection timing is important for this goal. I know a few people that use it for TRT and they are on a weekly injection schedule. The decanoate ester makes sustanon pretty unique for a testosterone. Some people who use deca durabolin still inject 2x weekly but due to the shorter esters in sustanon I am not sure what the absolute best protocol would be in maintaining peak levels without doing some math.... not my strong point. I do know some doctors who say the longer that an individual is on it is better to have an injection schedule that is less frequent and pushes the limits of the half life of the ester. This might be difficult to prove with sust because of the ester mix.

 

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I pin sust m/w/f due to the

I pin sust m/w/f due to the short and medium esters in an effort to keep more stable blood levels. Too me sust pinned once a week would make for very unstable blood levels. It would look like a roller-coaster. Why not just get a long estered test.

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Yea... but your math skills

Yea... but your math skills are not the best Mr. 20 1/4. ;)

 

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You forgot to mention a 3.5lb

LOL... You forgot to mention a 3.5lb trigger pull. ;)

 

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Failure of that test meant you had to drop your pants, and prove you had a hairy set.

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And forced to the rear with the gear with all the other POG's if that failed.

 

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Sust was originally meant to

Sust was originally meant to be pinned every 11-15 Days at TRT. The hopes was with all the different esters, which they all do hit the blood stream at the same time, they be more stable. I personally don‘t understand that concept. I‘ve Never tried it not have I drawn bloods several times a cycle with it to see the levels, but I do feel better pinning M/W/F as well.

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It makes sense from a math

It makes sense from a math view point the longer you are on if you look at each concentration. Since TRT is a lifelong commitment I see the reasoning. Unfortunately is was a failure in the popularity contest.

 

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I agree when you look at the

I agree when you look at the math it does make sense. When I look back at my posts & they don’t say what I said now that doesn’t make sense lol. 

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I think the complexity is

I think the complexity is caused by the fact that we are attempting to describe and understand Sust as a cycling steroid when it sole purpose and design was for the TRT industry. Many users love it and swear by it and others kick it to the curb.

I will get my hands on some and replace my TestC as an experiment. I will give it a shot from Jan 1 to June 30 in a replacement dose only. We should come up with two or three different injection protocols, frequent and less frequent, and run for 8-12 weeks each. With monthly blood work we should be able to see what a preferred dosing schedule would be based on the ones chosen. I could even do labs every 2 weeks for a better cross section as long as we are only looking at Total T and Free T.... I ain't made of $. ;)

I will hit my ND up and see if he can get me pharma from the compounding pharmacy we use. All my TRT supplies and testing that is prescribed are a business tax right off which will offset my out of pocket.

If anyone has a dosing schedule that they would prefer to see used post it here for consideration.

LEVEL- sorry to highjack the thread but we should get some solid anecdotal information from the experiment for future use.

 

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Sounds great brother!!

Sounds great brother!!

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Do you have a dosing protocol

Do you have a dosing protocol you would like to see? Personally I want to push the envelope of the half life of the decanoate ester so that would be the very last protocol. The more frequent injection protocol(s) would need to be be ran first.

 

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The only thing that sparks my

The only thing that sparks my curiosity is where would the test level be at day 11. Are the levels going to fluctuate at a great rate or level out after a few weeks?

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To me once the longer esters

To me once the longer esters kick in the short esters really no longer matter. That's why when cycling my minimum dose of sust is 750mg ew.

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Like I said earlier, the

Like I said earlier, the fluctuation is all about the length of time on a given schedule. As time passes the fluctuation is supposed to even itself out. That was the intended purpose of Sust. At the first 11 days we wouldn't get a stable reading because the medium and long ester haven't kicked in. As time passes we should see stability or lack of.

In a nutshell.... the shorter esters are designed to stabilize the drop in blood levels of the medium and long esters based on their half lives.

 

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Sounds like a good experiment

Sounds like a good experiment. 

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I've used sust, and it's

I've used sust, and it's alright but you know I'm now all about more stable blood levels. I do think it's a good compound to prep a newer guy for ed or eod pins of short esters. Of course now you see more and more sources carrying tpp which is good for that as well.

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I can't believe I'm actually

I can't believe I'm actually going to use shit I learned in a basic Pharm class I took in college 20 years ago!

Never actually used Sust 250 but I remember looking into it years ago because it is one of the few AAS that you can  still easily get pharma grade of.  

Everyone's thought are about right, the ester mix is an effort to bring up levels and keep them stable quickly for trt type dosing. It's hard to think about without writing it all down, but what you have to do is not think about half life's in number of days but think about blood concentration/day instead. Half life doesn't mean a drug isn't already working, it just means the body can only use it at a given pace. You also need to remember that it's all testosterone, the esters don't matter when compared to the active chemical. Think of it like time released aspirin. You don't give a shit about the fact that it had been buffered to slowly dose 300mg over 5 hours do you? Using this logic all that matters is blood concentration vs. time, not the fixed number of days it takes for half the drug to leave or be consumed by the body.

Once you work all of the concentration/day out,  you will then have everything worked out to is lowest common denominator. Now you can graph out each ester, overlap them and then be able to see where the balance point is. Because of the long life of the decanate ester, you would want to go out at least 30 days on one given dose.

After that is complete  you can then start working out a dosing schedule using the graph by spiking the chart at various points (additional injections) and seeing how they effect the numbers as a whole. My guess is it never really truly balances and you just wasted and hour out of your life realising your should just use Test C.

PS - I might give graphing it all out a try though. I'm a geek like that, enjoy a challenge and helping out my fellow Meatheads.

BTW - I don't mean to make this post sound like a lecture, it's just that this is really hard to outline in writing. Plus I just wrote this post on my phone...

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I followed your lecture

I followed your lecture pretty well,  Half life is one thing, blood concentration is another. Ive seen a graph somewhere where before relating to sus, and came to the conclusion that I may as well run enanthate or prop. For the same reason, more or less, I wont run blends. I like to be able to easy tailor my dosages as I see fit for me.

Would love to your graph nevertheless. I think folks would benefit from a visual representation :)

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Thanks Blast. Normally I shy

Thanks Blast. Normally I shy away from blends for the same reason: control. 

I have to say i am a bit of a hypocrite though. I did just get a Test/NPP blend to use on my next cycle. As I was planning the cycle I came across this particular mix and it basically had exactly what I was looking for in the ratio I was planning. Figured I'd give this mix a shot and see how it goes.

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I'm not a fan of blends

I'm not a fan of blends either, but if it means injecting 1ml or 1.5ml ed vs 3 to 5ml ed I'll use the blend. We have limited pinning spots with limited amounts of oil those spots can hold.

There's two blends from that source that were ideas of mine and creations from him. Most blends are not dosed right for the amounts most of us use, so why not brew them with the right mixture.

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I hear ya brother! No one

I hear ya brother! No one wants to be a pin cushion!

I am anxious to try this mix from our said source. If for no other reason but to take advantage of the positive joint properties you get from nandrolones! Sometimes I genuinely feel like I should squeak like an old hinge when I move.

 

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Lol...touche

Lol...touche

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I never used a blend before.

I never used a blend before. Most guys brew them with EO which is a no go for me.  I know the source you speak of. He doesn't use EO at all. How's the pinning on his Blends???

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Outfuckingstanding! I drew

Outfuckingstanding! I drew your precise explanation out on a piece of paper and came out with a picture of the US Virgin Island Chain. I am in heaven.

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That’s strange I came up with

That’s strange I came up with the Caribbean Islands :))

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At least it wasn’t the PI ;)

At least it wasn’t the PI ;)

 

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Man you got that right

Man you got that right brother!! :)

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Damnit! It didn't work!

Damnit! It didn't work!

My plan was if one of you Meatheads tried to graph and figure it all out you'd end up with a dick pic!

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I got a cock-n-balls pic!

I got a cock-n-balls pic! Lmao

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Not a lecture at all, but

Not a lecture at all, but rather some great info!

Can you post a link on how to graph this?

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I am actually going to try

I am actually going to try and figure this all out this weekend and, if I can, I will show my work for review. I'm sure there is a way to post files on these forums.

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