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    ACNE!!!

    Hey guys and girls, I just wanted to start a thread on Acne and what people use to combat this nasty part of using AAS !!! I get bad acne on my back and sure could use some pointers on how to combat it without taking Accutane! Please, Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated


    #2

    Its gettig really bad and i shower twice a day! This would look like shit if I had a show coming up!

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      #3

      I am not much help in this area because I have never been one to even get a simple pimple let alone a full blown acne breakout.

      Have you ever tried tanning or red light therapy beds? Tea tree oil?

       

      SEMPER FI

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        #4

        I don't get acne much, a few zits here and there if my E2 is elevated. I have heard of people using tanning booths to dry the skin out. Might be a myth, not sure.

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          #5

          I get some and I think its from E2 being high and they seem slow to heal but sometime in the sunshine certainly helps them heal.   Getting some Vitamin D too

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            #6

            I was acne prone as a youngster and am acne prone while on aas no matter how well I keep my e2 in check. It sucks. I wash 2 to 3 times per day if possible. Also tanning, swimming in a chlorinated pool, and swimming in salt water help. I've never wanted to use Accutane, but have really been considering it as of late.

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              #7

              On longer cycles (10 weeks+), I can get some serious acne. I've found it to be dose and duration dependant. Most OTC methods don't help because AAS's tend to cause cystic acne which really can only be treated with antibiotics, retin-a or isotretitoin (Accutane).  Cystic acne can also be uncomfortable, if not painful in some areas. Sun exposure and tanning may help but will not eliminste it, more like keep it from getting worse.

              Try to be gental on your skin. No hard scubbing. This will help keep inflammation down. Tea tree soaps help me. It acts like a topical antibiotic.

              In general, I find it takes almost as long as I am on cycle for it to heal. For example, if I am on cycle for 16 weeks and the acne is really bad, it will take about 4 months for it to subside.

              Are you currently using any C17 orals? If not, start on Accutane at 40-ish mg ed and see how that goes for a few weeks. Note that with Accutane, acne will breifly get worse before it starts to get better. If you are currently using orals, wait until you're off them. Isotretitoin is hard on the liver by itself.

              In the future, use a low dose of 20-25mg ed at the start of your cycle. This will help to prevent this side in the first place. This protocol has helped me greatly.

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                #8

                It's all about test to E2 ratio IMO. I find that at the beginning and at the end if cycles acne tends to get worse. As your hormone levels ratchet up and down the ratio between the two tends to get out of wack. Keeping a tight ratio, or balanced as if one was not on a cycle, is the key for me to keeping acne in check.

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                  #9

                  So what would be the best way to track that level of E2 shift?

                  Is blood work every 6-8 weeks adequate?

                  Or should someone have 'markers' that they use to note E2 is elevating and increase AI dosage accordingly? Is that even possible?

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                    #10

                    If you are a person who is not prone to acne when off cycle then excessive acne is a good sign your e2 is getting or is out of range. I am a person who is very prone to acne. Had it pretty bad as a teen, and into my 20's and 30's just not as bad as when I was a teen. Since I've started running cycles I get acne, but it seems worse when I run 19nors. Not too sure why though. 

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                      #11

                      Bobby - I always have e2 run in as part of my pre cycle blood work. Just like endogenous testosterone, this will give you your baseline numbers so you know what is "normal" for you. Then, depending on the cycle, have the same serum test/e2 bloodwork run anywhere from 2-6 weeks into your cycle.  2-3 weeks for short ester cycles and 4-6 weeks for longer esters and compare these results to your baseline. If your e2 is signifcantly different then your baseline, adjust your AI accordingly. 

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                        #12

                        X2...anything over 50 you definitely need to adjust your ai and get it below 50. Also make note of your symptoms of elevated and or crashed e2 so you can always detect them, and adjust your ai as needed.

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                          #13

                          Honestly... It a trial and error thing unfortunately because let's face it bloods every few weeks is not practical.

                          Some learn to recognize signs of E2 unbalances with indicators such as water retention, mood swings, or fatigue. Hey we all know our test levels are through the roof on cycles but keeping the E2 balanced is the task at hand. 

                          Personally I know when mine is too high based on not only increased acne, but also by the size if my wrist. As silly as I may sound I can measure my wrist and tell if my E2 is high based on water retention. Too low and I am dragging ass.  Call it silly but it definitely works for me, hey everyone had their own little method of keeping that ole' E2 in check.

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                            #14

                            Excellent help as always and a special thanks to Milkin - I know I an others can related and hopefully take advantage of those warning signs (which is what I think I should have asked for more clearly).  You guys are the best as always.

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                              #15

                              Originally posted by milkin

                              As silly as I may sound I can measure my wrist and tell if my E2 is high based on water retention. Too low and I am dragging ass.  Call it silly but it definitely works for me, hey everyone had their own little method of keeping that ole' E2 in check.

                               

                              If it is silly then color me with silly putty. The first signs of E2 elevation for me is also seen in the wrists, then the hands and eventually the face & neck. If I have swollen hands then I know for sure I let things get a bit out of hand.... no pun intended.

                               

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