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That’s your pimp limo bro.

That’s your pimp limp bro. Wear it like a badge of honor

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LMAO

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HAHAHA.... ROTFL

HAHAHA.... ROTFL

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+2 JD   

+2 JD   

+2 Strong

Both for giving much needed and excellent advice about the big fear (gyno) - I get so used to these fun debates and discussions and learning new things about workouts and aas.

I forget sometimes how great you guys are and how darned helpful! Well done guys - and SF and the rest of you all as well of course. 

My personal thanks to all of you for sharing so much helpful knowledge all the time!

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I have a tendency to push my

I have a tendency to push my cycles from time to time in order to see how my body reacts given different variables. I also have a medicine cabinet of supports at my disposal. Have I had tiny gyno? Yes. Is it as big of a deal as it’s made out to be? No, as long as you catch it early and don’t freak out and make stupid decisions That get you into even more trouble. Anybody can succeed in a cycle when everything goes right. It’s those cycles with a couple of bumps in the road that really teach the lessons that make us all better at what we‘re working to accomplish. I take pride in knowing that MG is sort of a “bat phone” or a paddle that comes in pretty handy when you feel like youre stuck up shit creek. 

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That’s what I keep hearing

That’s what I keep hearing from these other guys, and I love the Batphone thing. I’ve got you guys behind me, and I’ve got my AI in case anything starts to go sideways. Good lookin out.

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First thoughts/experience/reaction

***Everything in this post, in previous posts, and in future posts is entirely fictional. I am simply making up a narrative to try to fit in with the cool crowd on the internet. I do not engage in illegal trade or the use of banned substances. Any photos or anecdotes contrary to this statement are illustrative only and for entertainment purposes.***

 

Just some thoughts on my first experience: The injection was a piece of cake. Having many years of IV drug use behind me was probably helpful... I’ve probably done a few thousand injections in my life, sad as it is. In the last few weeks I’ve been wondering if having a needle in my hand again would fuck with my head, but it didn’t at all. It’s strange... it didn’t even recur to me until I sat down to write this.

The most helpful things were the YouTube videos on IM injections. If you’re a newb and you’re reading this, check those out. The initial pain was zero. But by the time I went to sleep last night it was definitely tender. Waking up this morning it for sure felt like someone knuckle-punched me right in the glute, but as I’ve been moving around today the soreness has lessened.

 

Having made the jump, my mindset has definitely changed more than anything. At the gym last night I had one of the most intense workouts of my life; because now there’s some kind of significance behind each rep that wasn’t there before. I’ve definitely experienced some kind of a shift... my eating and sleeping and all my activities feel more intentional. Do you guys remember feeling that way?

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StarBuck,

StarBuck,

Here are a few tips in helping concerning PIP. Particularly in virgin muscle. Unfortunately PIP can be part of the game especially in new territory but there are ways to mitigate it.

1. Heat the vial before drawing using a heating pad or similar. Some do it under warm water after drawing but I would not advise this method. Its important to do all we can to maintaining sterility and heating under water after drawing isn't worth the risk to me.

2. Use the shortest needle practical for the specific site. The longer the needle the more room for movement which increase trauma. Using a 1.5" when a 1" is more practical will increase tissue damage

3. Go slow with the volume in virgin muscle. Do not hesitate to split your dose into two separate injections and inject in two different sites

4. Roll or massage the injection site for 5 minutes immediately after injection

5. Keep the muscle of the injection site active for as long as possible during the day. Might even choose to train the body part the day of the injection.

6. Don't be a dick. Go to your profile page and accept or reject your friend requests.

One final piece... find at least 4 injection sites for your Cyp and rotate each injection. My first 4 personal choices were glutes and delts. Other members have different preferences. My absolute favorite is the ventrogluteal. It holds a lot of oil, very few nerves and injections are painless. If I ever do experience PIP in this area (new source) it is very slight and never debilitating. It can be difficult to properly find but I have an easy technique so PM me if you want to know my secret. As your experience grows you will be able to select other injection sites until you have 6-10 (or more) options available. Stick to the trusted few until you feel more comfortable moving to less popular areas.

Hope this helps.

 

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Hey Semper Fi...

My deepest apologies, man... I didn’t mean to be a dick, I just didn’t know how to navigate To my profile. I‘ve gotten there before on accident... can’t believe it’s something as simpel as clicking on my own name.

Is there another way to get to my profile? Right now I just go to the forum and go to a topic that I’m active in and select it and click my own name.

Thank you for the info on injections. PM, incoming.

 

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LOL... No worries.

LOL... No worries.

You are going to have to learn to navigate the forum on your own if you are relying on me to help. My 6yr old grandson can use my iPhone or Mac better than I can. I had to ask him how to delete an app of my phone last week. ;)

 

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TThankyou for sharing you are a inspiration    and i was going to put my story out there but not yet  , your a miracle  , and that my friend is to be sonorous of  i was there  ...and on my way back   

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Hell yes.

Hell yes, brother. I can’t wait to hear your story when you’re ready to share it. I definitely took a chance by sharing some of the darker parts of my past, but as you can see, everyone has been understanding and encouraging with zero judgement. Bless you, on your path, my friend. I’m here for you.

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I cant do pec injections and

I cant do pec injections and WP I wish I had advice on PIP....heat the fluid and use lower level (200mg vs 300mg) gear helps.

Reality is I don't know why, sometimes I am litteraly crippled and limping for a week plus. Sometimes I notice nothing. I HATE pip though...you do get more used to it over time!

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Have tou tried them? I was

Have tou tried them? I was the same way. There is literally zero pain. Delts,tri’s and pecs have always been totally painless for me. Start pushing test/tren/masteron and you will be BEGGING for more injection locations.. 

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Yeah, no shit! Especially, ED

Yeah, no shit! Especially, ED shots. I know a guy that hits anything meaty, traps, last, bis tris, even abs with a slin pin. I have 4 good spots in the quads, 3 or 4 in the glutes, I can hit front delts and pecs, can’t reach the lats, been toying with the idea of tris, but may be hard to reach. Might try hitting the traps at some point, seems like a good spot. Maybe hit em while cruising to get the technique down. My gf won’t do it. Imagine those porn star dudes injecting their dicks with caverject, heard that stuff really hurts. 

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There is know reason to ever

There is no reason to ever move to less popular injection sites in my opinion. Some do and thats a choice. I have experimented but I have never pinned less popular location on any regular basis. I stick to the proven locations and I never had to 'push' so much oil that there was not more than enough locations.

 

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I’m a little masochistic. So

I’m a little masochistic. So sue me

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There is no problem moving to

There is no problem moving to a less popular injection site. I just know for most people it is not necessary. I have tried just about all of them JD so if your are going to be sued we are going down together. 

 

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Experiment with the

Experiment with the ventrogluteal. Low in blood vessels and nerves. Injections are painless. An easy way to find it... Standing up feel the small muscle fibers just below the hip bone on the side of your hip. Lift the leg straight out to your side. See and feel the little golf ball sized muscle? Shazam.... thats it. Mine holds 2+ml's. In my experience if I do experience pip it will not be debilitating and is a slight radiating down the leg into the quad.

I do my VG injections standing. When I first did them I marked the injection location using my pin cap and pressure to make an indention. Learned that technique from a lab tech. I relax the leg, take the weight off of it and push the pin in. I do NOT jab.

Hope that provides you another option buddy.

 

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Wow.

This sounds like a great alternative. Thank you for the crystal-clear beta. I will be trying this and follow up on this topic. The tenderness I felt yesterday morning is gone now... I don’t even really feel it when I try to flex my glute and make it hurt... rode  my bike and walked a decent amount today... definitely helped.

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A little pip helps me

A little pip helps me remember where I pinned last.  I'm damn forgetful

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+3 LMAO!

+3 LMAO!

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So it’s not just me?!?

So it’s not just me?!? Hahahahahahah!!! Thanks for a laugh brother

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Lololol... surriously.

Lololol... surriously.

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12 days of Christmas....

For those of you don’t know, I’m 12 days into my very first cycle: straight Test-C @ 500/week (based on the recommendation of the brothers here).

It’s been a pretty wild trip already.

Post-injection pain is there, but it’s certainly not unbearable. I had a strange experience on my last two pins on the right side, where the pain was much greater and longer – lasting. I think I may have bruised something, but with a lot of ice and ibuprofen, we are back to what I would consider normal pain levels.

My body is doing strange things: my nuts are definitely starting to shrink. My sleep schedule, energy levels, and appetite are fluctuating in interesting ways.

Is it possible that I am putting on a significant amount of water weight already? I have been in a calorie deficit, and lifting hard… My macros have been good; low carbs, intermediate level facts, and a ton of protein… But even with the calorie deficit I have gained about 6 pounds in the last two weeks.

Just one more week in this calorie deficit, and once my blood serum levels of test begin to plateau and normalize, I will go into a moderate but very clean bulking phase, with a calorie surplus of about 300–500 per day.

 

Thoughts? Anyone? Y’all know I’m always open to the truth, even if it stings.

 

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The water weight gain is

The water weight gain is normal but also it can be associated with a spike in your estrogen levels. If it is estrogen look for loss of libido, joint pain, swelling in the neck and wrists and pressure in your fingers when making a fist. 

Remind me... what is your AI and at what dose?

What is your salt, water and electrolytes intake like? A natural diuretic like Irwin Naturals Bloat Away can help with water retention. I get mine off Amazon.

Side bar... Your PIP might be from poor technique but typically is a combination of virgin muscle and poor technique. PM me your gear source.

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AI

I have arimidex in hand, should I be taking it already? I was under the impression that I should be keeping an eye out and start taking it if I start to experience gyno symptoms. Am I off here?

and to answer your question; I have not been experiencing any of those symptoms.

My salt and electrolyte intake has been poor. I’ve been drinking water like there’s no tomorrow. About 1.5 gallons daily.

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Gyno can almost be viewed as

Gyno can almost be viewed as the end of the road in estro sides you’ll likely see at safe doses. Estrogen comes in to play in SO MANY ways before it ever gets to that point. Retaining water is probably the most common, at least in my personal experience. Some mornings (usually when kickstarting with dbol) I will wake up and my face will be a little puffy around the eyes. A couple weeks in is a) enough time for your gear to be kickin in b) enough time to possibly be getting some slight estro elevation. When and if I start having issues, I will usually phase my ai in on injection days (2x per week) and adjust from there. I will however admit that I rarely ever have e2 issues. That can be a good and bad thing as I also admit that it can make me push the envelope a little sometimes. Eating at a deficit and only being on 500mg it is VERY unlikely that you would ever gain 6 pounds this fast unless you have mr Olympia genetics. It’s a water issue, be it estro related or just that you happen to retain water. It’s not necessarily a bad thing. I commend the fact that you seem to be monitoring yourself pretty closely. Don’t freak out. See if you can get a guage on your sodium intake. Just an idea. We’ll get it figured out. It’s not an emergency. You’re not gonna wake up with a marble under your tit. 

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Lolololol

JD I love your fucking delivery, man... you just say it like it is. I’m not freaking out... just so fascinated by these little adjustments my body is making. Thanks for the reassurance.

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wonderpunk24 wrote:

wonderpunk24 wrote:

JD I love your fucking delivery, man... 

X2 JD has an outstanding way of delivering information. I especially like how he always lets us know that rarely are negative side effects an emergency situation.... stay calm and handle it. Most negative effects can be easily corrected if/when we catch them early. They usually only become a real problem when we ignore our body or do not have the correct ancillary on hand to deal with the situation.

 

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My nemesis is soy sauce. I

My nemesis is soy sauce. I eat rice 4-5 times a day so it’s one of those things. I was stationed in Hawaii for years and years and we practically drank the stuff out there. Luckily, that’s basically all of the sodium I take in. When cutting and getting rid of the water, I switch to salsa. Different, but it’s sure as hell better than choking down dry white rice all day

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Adex has a half life of

Adex has a half life of approximately 48 hours. If your injection schedule is every 3.5 days the best time from a half life perspective to dose the adex is 24 hours after each injection. This allows the half life of the adex to carry almost into your next injection period. If I was in in your position and one that most Dr's would recommend is begin adex at .5mg 24 hours after injection now. You are what is called "ON" cycle now because your serum blood levels are reaching its peak. It is difficult to take too much adex to crash your estrogen and if you do the nature of the drug allows you to simply readjust dose and your estrogen with quickly rebound. It does not kill (suicide as it is called) like other AI's. It simply holds it hostage until it runs its course and then it releases it.

Water intake is excellent. +3 Just like JD said monitor your salt intake because as you know it will make you retain water but with your water consumption I doubt this is an issue. You are drinking enough to flush excess salts. 

Hows your BP? Elevated BP is a clear sign of water retention. Start learning your BP 'normal' and check it regularly.

 

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Great information...

Thank you so much for the help. I don’t know where I read that I was just supposed to hang on to the Arimidex, but I will certainly start it.

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we have such a wide variance

we have such a wide variance of guys with different estro sensitivity. For all intents and circumstances, I have zero estro sides, Dolf (hopefully he will be back around soon) is super sensitive. Everybody is different so AI levels and frequency arent as easy to calculate as test mg’s are. Keep us in the loop on your sides, even if it’s a small detail, and we will become more aware of your tolerance. The only time I take an AI is with Tren, but that’s a whole other ballgame and we refuse to even discuss it with you yet...

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Injection trouble...

I’ve really been posting a lot today, so I hope I haven’t driven anybody away. 

My right glute is no longer an injection site option. Due to some past muscle tissue trauma, it responds super strongly to any kind of intrusion, with immense inflammation, pain, and bruising.

The question is this: what is the next-best injection site? Intuitively, I would go for my right quad; I am a cyclist and have relatively large mass there. I was also thinking tricep... seems easy enough.

Any suggestions would be deeply appreciated.

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Venitroglute is close, but

Venitroglute is close, but rarely gets sore at all. I use my quads for basically all injections unless I’m on a daily test/tren/masteron cycle. Deltoids, triceps. There’s so many. I can’t use my glutes since my spinal fusion because I can’t rotate at all really. Are you pulling the skin tight before you jab? Going in slow? Pushing the plunger slow and steady? Try your quads first in my opinion. If you pull the skin nice and tight, you barely have to push to get the needle to break the surface. Just randonly Thinking. 

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Thanks JD

My next pin will be a quadshot. I’ll let you know how it goes.

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Google a pic of the muscle

Google a pic of the muscle structure. There IS a nerve that runs down the area. You’ll be able to tell if you nick it. If it hurts when you push in, just don’t push the plunger. It’s not a huge deal. Just might make it a little sore. My quads are pretty cut, so it’s really easy to find the meat. Like I said, just familiarize yourself with the muscle structure in all of these injection spots. Good info to have in the back of your mind. 

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It may be sore afterwards,

It may be sore afterwards, but once the muscle gets used to it, you can dump a lot juice in them. I have 2-3 spots I can easily use, but my left VL tho is a bit fifinicky  times for some reason. .5 to 1 cc  should be a breeze. Technique is key; for me the deeper the better.

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IMO, Delts would be next. Don

IMO, Delts would be next. Don't shoot more than 1cc for a bit. I pin the side of my delts but near the front delts. Usually a beginner spot. Quads can be a bitch but I do recommend breaking them in. They can hold a lot of oil. 

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I love delts and tris. Once

I love delts and tris. Once over the mental aspect, upper body shots are a piece of cake. I’ve strangely never had even the slightest PIP from anything above the waist. Obviously you’re not constantly walking around on them. You get my point though

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Yea JD, I've been pinning tri

Yea JD, I've been pinning tri's a lot with.5cc.. I just use them here and there. My shoulders can hold 2 cc's easily. I don't even pin the butt cheeks yet. Next, im going to Lats..

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Progress:

Hey guys sorry I’ve been MIA the last week or so. Life came calling. New job, new car, and lots of lifting heavy iron disks attached to heavy iron bars. 

If this is what three weeks looks like I cannot WAIT to see what three months looks like! 

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Great work!!! Looking forward

Great work!!! Looking forward to more writings about your journey

 

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Honored.

Wow, thank you Sharon. I look forward to getting to know you as well.

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Duplicate please delete.

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Nice work big guy. Keep it up

Nice work big guy. Keep it up! 

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What’s going on with my skin?

Skin bumpsHey brethren (and beautiful sisters)

there are tiny bumps on my arms, shoulders and chest. 

Lol am I dying? Google said I’m DYING! ;P

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Looks like cystic acne. This

Looks like cystic acne. This is the most common type of body acne while cycling. It usually doesn't come to a "head" to pop and can actually be painful in some circumstances. Best thing to do is don't scratch or pick at it, you will inflame it and make it worse. The only treatment  that truely works is Accurane-isotretinoin (most topical treatments actually make it worse). If it's bad enough you might be able to get your Dr to Rx it for you. Make sure your religious with your hygiene too. Not saying you aren't, but try not to skip a shower. Have you taken a look at your e2 look levels too? For me, when e2 is out of control during a cycle, acne is a much worse side effect then if I keep e2 level under a tight lease

Tip: if you use Accutane and you're using oral AAS, try to keep your dose as light as possible. Isotretinoin has been shown to be hard on the liver during long bouts of treatment. You wouldn't  need Accutane it for 6+ months but while using an oral it's best to play it safe. 

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Thank you

thank you for all that helpful information. To be honest, my hygiene hasn’t been on point, but I will step it up and go get some blood work done tomorrow.

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