SO YOU WANT TO RUN A CYCLE

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SO YOU WANT TO RUN A CYCLE

Im going to sound like a dick here ,but i assure you thats furthest from my intentions .

How many new members do i see ,saying that they already ran cycle , i ran anadrol,i ran dbol,i ran super drol .sorry to break it they are not cycles , that is called making a horrible mistake .what did your blood work look like before this mistake ? what was the condition of your liver ?  you dont know. ,of course not ,because 0 education was put in ,or you would know that test is the base to every cycle . 

So you want to cycle , so im guessing that you already hit your natural potential ? you got countless hours of reaserch in correct ? you know the pros and the cons correct ? you have a basic knowledge of diet , and the DISCIPLINE, to follow through with such diet ? you have ample gym time , and also exhibitthe DISCIPLINE, to not fall short ? and much more .. but if you answered No , to anyone of these questions i beg you to reconsider .( for the record ,i answered no to all but 1 of these when i started ,so im not a hypocrite.. i made a terrible mistake .

I was on the top of my game before aas , with 20+ years of NATTY ,under my belt ,felt better looked just as good and was as strong ,so your asking yourself why did you start using. why. BECAUSE I THOUGHT WHY NOT , i just can get bigger ,stronger. i met a gym rat that had orals and a worker i had ,wanted us to run so i used aas. , ( it was not a cycle ) and if every answer to the above questions is 1 no your not ready either .

This is not a cheap way of life , so im sure you have the means , to get your whole cycle ,meaning prebloods , halfway ,and post ? you have all your aas ? ( alot will answer yes to this ) so im taking it you have your aro,adex ( you should have both ,until you know you) if a 19nor is in the mix ,you should have your prami,brom.,or caber on hand correct ?? Now i know that freezers packed , right ? and theres a solid diet to match your goals in place correct ? once agion if your answer is whats a ai ? whats a da? my diet is sea food , (i eat what i see. ) .if your asking your whats these questions your not ready !! 

see you have a choice you all may have already ran a oral , and thats a mistake not a cycle , but you found a site where people care deeply about your health and well being , and YOUR WELL BEING WILL BE OUR GOAL .. your lucky , but dont be a stubborn mfer listen ..

I didnt , and oh i started with orals only so i am a client , but i also crawled into here , i did educate myself i do know how to run a cycle , and honestly according to my guide lines above have i ever truly ran a 100% propper cycle ,, FUCK NO ,  ill humble myself , for others and myself .. i knew how to , but diet was not important to me , good genetics , bloodwork why i feel great , then go into my cruise feeling great .  i got great results ( but i could have had 100% better results) so i negelected BLOOD WORK ,TRUTH PLAIN AND SIMPLE !!!!!!!

Enough of the book i believe the point was made .I am a novoice ,(and nothing wrong with a novoice PROPPERLY RUNNING ) personally i wish i never did tho.  but through my actions ,im sitting here ,with vertago, blurred vision, confusion, horrible decision making , i start shaking at times , lethargy, mood and personality changes , and pains in my right side under rib cage radiating throughout. ,,while i still have to go to work E.D., and then have to look at my wife and pet who has been my life and they depend on me. .. EYE OPENER 

So by now your asking , why.  here is why my LIVER IS NOT TURNING AMMONIA INTO UREA , bingo severe liver damage ,you guessed it. non reversable .. but possibly, i can stop the damage with a 90,000$ treatment. ill go reach in my safe pull out 90k. and get better right.  WRONG. !!  Opps i work for myself , and no insurance. , so. what brought this on all of the above , not just aas , bad diet , no propper bloods , aas use ,lack of propper liver support ,ALCOHOL ON cruise ,PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS ??..

How many ,addicts (alcohol,and drugs or both) do i see on the boards ,countless. i ask you,SINCERLY ASK YOU. WHAT IS THE STATE OF YOUR LIVER ???YOU KNOW ,,I DID. 

BUT AAS BETTER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE CORRECT.  ?? ASK YOUR SELF.  TRULY ASK YOUR SELF.  

books over point made i wasnt going to share , but.that would be stright ignorance and selfishness on my part.  BECAUSE I CARE ,ALWAYS DID AND IF 1 PERSON LISTENS. I HELPED , DONT FUCK UP LIKE ME. , this has been coming for some time , months ,      

GOOD LUCK.  

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Truth hurts but nevertheless

Truth hurts sometimes but nevertheless it is the truth. I have made more mistakes and took so many short cuts in my AAS use I can't even count. Someone will learn from your mistake so your post is not in vain. Time for you to take care of you! Thanks for sharing Sieg.

I would add for the reader that you are NOT the exception to the rule. Steroids do not discriminate and the human body functions the same for all people so do not be arrogant and think you are special. Be humble, smart and safe!

 

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Although I do agree 100% I

Although I do agree 100% I dont agree all human bodys function the same way. What works for some people may not work the same for others but i get your point brother :)

 

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The human body is designed to

The human body is designed to function a specific way for every human (healthy) when we are discussing hormone signaling. How the body reacts to that signaling is what differentiates us as individuals. ;)

 

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Thus... genetics

Thus... genetics

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I am sorry to hear about your

I am sorry to hear about your troubles. I know it doesn't amount to much but I'll be thinking about you.

Strong but very very important points everyone should beb internally debating before getting into this world. I've always look at it like why waste the effort if you don't have everything covered. Besides your health, it's just ends up being a waste off time, effort, money and gear if you don't cover all the bases of doing a proper cycle.

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it amounts to alot. ,  and ty

it amounts to alot. ,  and ty. 

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Thanks for sharing this Sieg

Thanks for sharing this Sieg I truly hope you can get this straightened out somehow.   I treading as lightly as I can with a.a.s and cant help but worry with things like prostate cancer in my family that I could be hurting myself down the road.  Even if I'm not if things go wrong I wont know for sure if my my decisions today brought them on.

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what we do today , we will

what we do today , we will eventuallyanswer for somewhere down the road. .  if i had it to do over agion ,, I WOULDNT RUN , now this is not to be confused with ,a WELL MONITORED CRUISE. ,  i also hope my prosate is ok ,, with everything else going on i didnt feel like getting a finger up my ass. ..  lol.  got to laugh.  people dont think this can happen , well 5 years down the road.  it can ...  thanks. 

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Yes sir..... Be not deceived

Yes sir..... Be not deceived for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap....

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Sorry to hear about this sieg

Sorry to hear about this sieg! Prayers for you and the wife brother! 

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thanks bro appreciate it. 

thanks bro appreciate it. 

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Brother I sure hate to hear

Brother I sure hate to hear this & i pray that all can be turned around... prayers for you & the wife my friend!

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update , 

update , 

its been a week , and major changes have taken place. completely stopped some bad habbits , and replaced with healthyhabbits. 

paleo diet. , which is not a diet at all i love it. absolutelyno processed food or fast , i eat only whole meats, fish ,sea food , , im killing the sweet potatoes. :)  love em. brock,cawleyflow,Pantene,yuka, pumpkin,spinish.  carrots. ... i drink fresh vegetable shakes at nite.  i must take a few tuper where dishes to work ,,i refuse to eat ,if its not whole food. like the other day forgot lunch had a salad with chicken but i had to search for a diner .   also i find myself eating like 6 or more meals. all day. .. crazy but we just put carrots in blender added water and lemon juice. and to my surprise its excellent. ..  i drink 1 coffee in morning. ,then its water day and nite i throw in like 2 12oz green tea.  and were still experimenting...

also the gym is part of my daily routine agion , liver support is nac tudca , blueberry shakes are also excellent.  ...

The gear. (semp) hit me off with a artical and where the liver is damaged , generaly the body will stop making test or it slows it down (my memory still isnt right)   but. this dr recommends a cruise and puts his patients on trt.  also which i found very interesting is. the liver will produce or.  like i said memory a little shot but e2 levels can rise. and true and behold after researching this. i started 6.25 yes low dose but still the same. bingo feel better yet.  ... but i been doing a little research and mast p. , is very liver friendly and also helps with e2 so i incorporated this in my cruise. ,, lets see how it does. , id rather a inject liver friendly over taking a pill...

needless to say. ,im feeling better now than i have in 4 or 5 months.  my mood , my drive , my energy ,my sex drive everything coming back.  

now im still working on a specialist,and so fourth but. amazing how good i feel.  ,still get a few dizzy spells , and memory and decision making a little hard but.  IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DO IT. ,,   

thanks all for the support. i dont think anyone ever seen the real sig.

my wife called me a alien the aliens took my husband but.  im back.  

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I'm back baby!

Good to hear you are making the needed changes brother Sieg!

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Love to hear this Sieg! Maybe

Love to hear this Sieg! Maybe do a little intermittent fasting too

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Fantastic news!

Fantastic news!

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thanks. 

 

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Nice man, im still a little

Nice man, im still a little off right now...I have not done a cycle for 6 months, but I think im going to incorporate some mast enth to my next cycle, Fix was telling me he does Proviron along with Mast enth sometimes even off cycle, but il probably add a TrT dose of test and cruise for a while. Im pretty sure my shit is all shut down. And I have Zero energy or Libido since my last PCT.... Good to hear you are getting back to yourself!

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thanks kelp , i feel great on

thanks kelp , i feel great on cruise , and the mast is a great addition. ...

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Great news sieg. Stick to the

Great news sieg. Stick to the healthy lifestyle!

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i feel alive agion , i wont

i feel alive agion , i wont loose this feeling. and i cant wait ,in about 3 or 4 weeks. ill have that rip back. , well ill most likely have better than i ever had , im on a solid diet and a gallon minium for now water , and training. 

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Wow...great post Sieg! Thank

Wow...great post Sieg! Thank you for sharing. So sorry to hear of your problems and so glad to hear you are doing better! You truly made me think and I thank you for that!

So here is a follow up question to your original point, because I am ignorant.

What exactly is a 19nor and what exactly is a da?    (I can't be the only newer guy who would like to learn).

Are you using the Mast as part of your trt or are you starting a new cycle with mast and test?

 

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what is a 19 nor good

what is a 19 nor good question, and hard for me to explaine im not to good at. words. ''' 

https://www.steroid.com/Anabolic-Androgenic-Steroids.php

i put a link here , this explains it alot better than i can. 19 nor refers to testosterone, altered at the 19 carbon (position)   slighly changing its structure making it a progestion . examples of 19 nors are deca , npp , tren , what is a progestion 

,https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progestin

Da , is a dopamine agnostic , examples are cabergoline ,prami, brom'   they are used to confrol sides .   I hope this helped ,sorry for the delay in answer. But i was out 4 days stright with the snow and ice 

Im still researching bobbi.  ,i wont be running a cycle , no time soon if ever. ,,unfortunately  i must cruise. ,  see its complicated ,, with a liver in the shape mine is ,  a few things are happening. ( as far as my research goes)  test is needed because i donot produce my own test.also with a badly damaged liver as is in my case my e2 is rising ' and its true. Because i had to add a ai to my cruise and sex drive energy all came back ,, 

The reason i am running mast p is as a e2 control , it is liver friendly on the liver , i have a choice take aro , or mast ,anxd whats more liver friendly 

https://livertox.nih.gov/index.html

https://www.steroidal.com/steroid-profiles/masteron/masteron-side-effects/

My research shows that using mast p as a anti estrogen poses less stress on my liver than aromansin. ''

I am not blindly throwing a cocktail together here ,,sadly i must cruise and use some test. If not ill have 0 sex drive ,0 activety level. And i refuse to not be able to work and take care of wife.  '

Hope this helped you some 

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+3 sieg

+3 sieg

You say your not good with words, but you got your point across perfectly! 

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Helped hugely! And I look

Helped hugely! And I look forward to digging through those old post and following some research trails you just opened up my eyes toward!

And for someone not good with words you killed it bro!  Thanks for the great info and for sharing what you are learning through this - well simply put, shitty time in your life!  Keep getting better, I personally like having you around!

I can't wait to look further into Mast. If it can counter gyno (lower increased estrogen) and it has other benefits then why ever take aro or arimidex and not just blend Mast with test always. Whether blast or cruise. Very interesting!

And thanks again for giving me a learning path for 19nor...I think I am a long ways from trying them if ever but at least I will know what I am doing, as best I can, before going down that path.

Also thanks for explaining the sides of the 19nor....basically chemical loss of sex drive and abilities. That would definitely need countered :-)

Have a blessed day my friend and keep getting well!

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Glad i can be of help , and

Glad i can be of help , and like i said sorry for the lapse in responding ,i plowed and salted for 4 days stright 0 sleep i guess i was running off adrenalin, and then i crashed for 2 days woke up to eat and back to bed. The wife wanted to kill me. I was trying to eat and so tired my head fell into my plate of food.   Epic. I did lmao while she wanted to kill me'  ,, shitty things happen bro but. , thats when we need to get stronger and look at what we can do to fix it.  ,,and im sure as fuck not going to cry about it.  ,,theres alot more ppl worse off.    Glad to be  of help. 

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Quick answer to your question

Quick answer to your question concerning using Mast as your sole anti E2 Bobby....

In most cases it is not strong enough to keep estrogen in the range most of us need or want. There other reasons as well like increased DHT, etc but you get the picture.

Adding another steroid specifically to control estrogen is not advisable. Sieg’s reasoning makes perfect sense but there are certainly natural ways to combat E2 that may be effective on a simple replacement dose of testosterone. On a full cycle you shpuld always consider an AI over anything else.

 

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I should have stated , that i was never e2 sensative , and i would would run tren and prop cycle and not need a ai.   '''So mast or ptov for me ,was all i needed ... 

Now in my current sisuiation my liver is actually building up e2. ,, and the very little bit i need can be handled by mast', or prov.  But i choose the inject mast..   

Now i will say if your like i was and not e2 sensative , its worth looking into.  

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Sieg was a massive help when

Sieg was a massive help when I first came to MG. Dude is all heart :)

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https://www.hghmagazine.com

https://www.hghmagazine.com/hgh-and-the-liver/

This is also another , route im researching. , for near future,,of course im waiting to see what damage is done. But this on the table 

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http://tb500.bz/

http://tb500.bz/

A through look at tb500.  , and its another interesting part of research as far as liver is concerned.  

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Sig, prayers out to you and

Sig, prayers out to you and your wife my friend. I hope all works out for the best man!

 

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Thankyou kelp , and it will

Thankyou kelp , and it will work out. , because im going to make it work out. , i refuse to be taken down , prisions ,and the streets couldnt do it and either will this. .be a long time since i been res researching. , i forgot more than i care to mention. But im refreshing just on a little differnt avenue 

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Both excellent bits of info.

Both excellent bits of info. Especially the article on HGH. I need to research HGH more and consider it down the road.

For those that know, is it better to do an HGH 'cycle' during a steroid cycle or stand alone during a trt cycle?  What compounds blend best and what side effects are expected from such potential blends?  
(I will try to do some research on my own and will do my best to report anything of value of find, but anyone feel free to give your opinion please! I just don't want you to think I am unwilling to do the research as well :-)  )

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From what I can find HGH runs

From what I can find HGH runs very well with low testosterone and Anvar.  Also Semper Fi has some excellent HGH research and personal experience stories on this web site as well! I am finding those excellent reading.

 

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You are a warrior! So glad to hear you're feeling better!!! You are always in my thoughts and prayers!

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Thanks dear. , same here. 

Thanks dear. , same here. 

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Yup good points and very

Yup good points and very expressive as usual brother Sig thanks for sharing

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Thanks. ,  Milk.

Thanks. , 

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