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Newbie I mean newbie

I am a 43 year old male. No alcohol or smoking here.  I am looking to do my 1st cycle of orals.  I was at 266 and naturally got down to 208. I am 6'2.  I am looking to cut some more fat weight. (I got that dad bod).  I really wanted to stay away from any injections for the time being as a newbie.  I am so curious of what cycles are recommended.  I currently work out 5-6 days a week.  I am willing to listen and do what it takes to get toned/cut for this father of 5.  

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Welcome to MG!

Welcome to MG!

First, oral only cycles are big fat no-no. Get your bf% down to sub-12% through diet and training. In the meantime, research our forums, all of the answers are there. There are no magic bullets, or potions or whatever. Well, there is one, and it is diet, and training of course. First, get the basics down, that’s right, diet and training. Get your bloodwork done as soon as you can. You might very well be a candidate for TRT. There’s a forum topic addressing this issue; take a look in that forum, there’s a lot of invaluable info there :)

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X2 with Blaster buddy. Oral

X2 with Blaster buddy. Oral only cycles are a good choice for those who do not know what they are doing and can't be told differently. If you are scared of the needle you either need to man up or reconsider steroid use. 

Almost every steroid is going to suppress your NATURAL testosterone production. That being the case any cycle, except in very rare situations, needs to contain exogenous testosterone. 

Give these a peak (a couple of times) and let us know if you have any questions. We enjoy helping others and there are no stupid questions.

https://musclegurus.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/new-to-steroids-start-he...

https://musclegurus.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/post-cycle-therapy/under...

There is a lot to learn but these will help you get started down the right path.

 

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Perfect.  I read that once.

Perfect.  I read that once.  I am going to read through it several more times. :).  I surely am not opposed to needles.  I am just starting to look into this and wasn't sure if I can go right into that.  I really appreciate all of this info.  I look forward to any guidance that any of you can give.  

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1st dumb question from the

1st dumb question from the noob.  But, when it says 500 mg a week.  How is that dosed?, weekly?, Daily, etc...  So for 12 weeks at 500mg a week.  I would need 2 orders of this size: 10 ML Vial (250mg/mL, 2500mg/vial) 

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X2 with Blaster buddy. Oral only cycles are a good choice for those who do not know what they are doing and can't be told differently. If you are scared of the needle you either need to man up or reconsider steroid use. 

Almost every steroid is going to suppress your NATURAL testosterone production. That being the case any cycle, except in very rare situations, needs to contain exogenous testosterone. 

Give these a peak (a couple of times) and let us know if you have any questions. We enjoy helping others and there are no stupid questions.

https://musclegurus.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/new-to-steroids-start-here/first-cycle-checklist-and-shopping-list

https://musclegurus.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/post-cycle-therapy/understanding-pct

There is a lot to learn but these will help you get started down the right path.

 

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Dosing depends on the ester.

Dosing depends on the ester. For example, if one wants to run 500mg per week of a long ester testosterone (hereinafter, “test”), one typically injects 250 mg (one ml if the vial is dosed at 250mg/ml, which is pretty much the standard) twice weekly. Enanthate or cypionate are the usual go-to long ester tests. On the other hand, if one chooses to use a short ester test, like propionate, one would inject daily, which would be roughly .70 ml per day. Most first-timers go the route of the long ester given that the injections are less frequent. Further, long ester tests take longer to kick in, roughly 3 weeks, whereas short esters take usually less than one week, depending on sensitivity and other factors. I’ll take the liberty to add that fat cells also have androgen receptors. Insofar as this is the case, some of the added test gets gobbled up by these cells. This is one of many reasons why it’s compulsory to first reduce bf% before using exogenous compounds. Unless of course you have $$ to burn, and don’t mind a bit of disappointment.

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Totally makes since.  Im

Totally makes since.  Im going to cut more body fat before starting anything. What is a round about of % of BF, before starting? I just want to be educated on the best course of action for a 1st time cycle.

 

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Dosing depends on the ester. For example, if one wants to run 500mg per week of a long ester testosterone (hereinafter, “test”), one typically injects 250 mg (one ml if the vial is dosed at 250mg/ml, which is pretty much the standard) twice weekly. Enanthate or cypionate are the usual go-to long ester tests. On the other hand, if one chooses to use a short ester test, like propionate, one would inject daily, which would be roughly .70 ml per day. Most first-timers go the route of the long ester given that the injections are less frequent. Further, long ester tests take longer to kick in, roughly 3 weeks, whereas short esters take usually less than one week, depending on sensitivity and other factors. I’ll take the liberty to add that fat cells also have androgen receptors. Insofar as this is the case, some of the added test gets gobbled up by these cells. This is one of many reasons why it’s compulsory to first reduce bf% before using exogenous compounds. Unless of course you have $$ to burn, and don’t mind a bit of disappointment.

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As low as you can go. Sub-10%

As low as you can go. Sub-10% is optimal, but 12% and below is fine. Many good things will come when cutting naturally. First, you will create and maintain good eating and training habits, which will come in handy down the road. These habits will spill over into many facets of life. I suggest keeping a training log, plan workouts before hand, a week in advance is a good way to go, at least for me. This way you know exactly what you will be doing when you hit the gym floor, and you can track progress and plan in progressive overload for all of you lifts. When you plan, you can easily plot specific courses of exercises. Specificity is often over looked: I see it everyday in the gym, people wandering aimlessly from machine to bench to cables to cardio, it's obvious as hell when someone has no logical plan. I see them after years of going to the gym with zero progress. Maybe they don't care, who knows what people are after when they are training as it were. I personally want results. Also, you will get accustomed to eating a certain way over time, you'll get meal planning and prep down to an art form. These two practices will be paramount in a successful cycle. Let me tell you, I know people in real life that run hella gear, but eat like shit and get nowhere fast. Training for a cut is quite a bit different than training for strength, know the difference, and adapt therewith. Assess where you are at now: do you need to build some strength before going on a serious cut? Are benching, dead lifting and squatting at least your body weight? While these are markers for strength, they are not the tell all be all, however, it's a starting point. Or are you fat as hell, and need to, or want to cut before building strength? Ask yourself questions like these, and plan, and implement that plan accordingly. Consistency is key here, thus it is imperative to stick to your plan, making adjustments as you go if needed. 

One last thing: use MG as a soundboard by posting up your plans for training and diet in the forums. Update the thread with your progress, and ask questions along the way. I have received invaluable support and suggestions by doing so. We are here to help, and as you progress, you will in turn be able to help others as well :)

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Welcome to the board! As you

Welcome to the board! As you can see the vets will chime in and not lead you or give you false info.

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welcome to mg brother!

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autorail1 wrote:

autorail1 wrote:

I am a 43 year old male. No alcohol or smoking here.  I am looking to do my 1st cycle of orals.  I was at 266 and naturally got down to 208. I am 6'2.  I am looking to cut some more fat weight. (I got that dad bod).  I really wanted to stay away from any injections for the time being as a newbie.  I am so curious of what cycles are recommended.  I currently work out 5-6 days a week.  I am willing to listen and do what it takes to get toned/cut for this father of 5.  

 

Hello and welcome, sounds to me like you've got a lot to look forward to, and the family is definitely your motivation.  That's excellent, that means you want to be careful, dedicated, and smart about what goes into your body to keep you around longer. Solid stepping stones :)  There is plenty of information on here, and from what I've read down this thread, you're on the right track.  Feel free to pm anyone on here for specifics.  It can be overwhelming at times. lol  FR sent

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Welcome sir. And let me say,

Welcome sir. And let me say, you are going the EXACT same path I started down.

Not the best or wisest but it didn't kill me either! Wish I had known more.

Blast gave great advice. Outstanding really. And I want to stress that he knows a LOT more than I know. 

However getting down below 10% body fat is tough. You may or may not want to achieve that amazing effort before getting started. I feel great and in my opinion look pretty darned good and I have not been below 10% BF since is was literally 9 years old. 

The best advice that you will wish you had known before starting is the bloodwork advice they gave you. Follow that and expand.

The second best is pick a guy or two from the forum and send a friend request. Those side personal conversations will be a huge help to you!

Third, maybe first....specify your goals. Decide if they can be achieved and if not then to what level they can be achieved without AAS (steroids). Then research your butt off on what compounds are necessary to achieve those goals with aas and go conservative. 

There is a cost to ANY usage but definitely start small and wise. 

PS: This will sound a little counter to what I said above but if you haven't begun yet. Get blood work, set goals, then if you start begin with Test C - injectable. 200mg vial....1.25ml twice a week. At least that worked great for me. 

 

Good luck and welcome again and a huge congrats for how your starting!!!!!

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Welcome to MG, autorail1.   

Welcome to MG, autorail1. 

 

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I meant to ask

I meant to ask if you have a workout partner,someone or someone you can trust to help you out with the first injection.

For me it was my friend and workout partner I felt comfortable enough with him showing me,  I actually asked him to pin me the first time . LOL He did not, but He had ran a few cycles and competed as well.

Has anyone shown you videos on injection techniques Injection sites the potential risks involving AAS not only injection but oral as well I will try to find it and send you the link.

Side note : and I'm not sure this is going to get me in trouble or not so I wont say the names of the guy or the name of the video, but It was a short video I saw from a gentleman and he started out by reading a question from one of his followers, The Question was when is the best time to start a cycle and his answer was its never a good time to start a cycle, and continues for the rest of the video which was IMO a very good watch,    It got me thinking , now I've done a cycle when I wasn't ready, Prepared as a matter of fact I had no business doing my first cycle at all !       To make a long story short, I did everything Wrong! dosage, Not having PCT ready for when I came off ( I didnt even know what PCT was ), Everything my friend told me was not entirely wrong and it was 100 % my fault for not being better educated. 

Thru searching I came across this site and started to read and I knew there was experience in the room so to speak.

I'm not a member anywhere else for a few reasons and ( if you decide to start AAS on the future or not ) I hope it works for you and you get what I am get from it. ( the community ).

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I did see the videos on

I did see the videos on proper injecting.  I am going to. continue cutting BF.  I plan to do the recommended TEST C or E as my 1st cycle,  but looking to keep researching and be ready to do 1st cycle around October 2018.  I am researching needles and syringes now.  Where and what are best places fro syringes,  I see 18g to draw the test.  25g to administer.

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I use 23g to draw and 25g to

I use 23g to draw and 25g to pin. The 18 might get a little much for the rubber stopper in my opinion. Seems many get their pins through Allegra (make sure to get some alcohol swabs). I get mine through med lab supplies. 3ml barrels are standard. I like luer locks, it’s not a brand just a type.

Research is key, and definitely get a diet plan together, and start the diet well before the cycle to prime the pump so to speak. Also, purchase your AI (arimidex and aromasin), and your PCT products, namely, clomid and tamoxifen. Buy extra just in case, can’t have enough of any of those compounds. If your cycle requires 4 bottles of say test E, get 5, even 6. 

Start your training protocol BEFORE you start your cycle, start now or as soon as you establish your plan of attack, i.e, mass gain, fat loss, pre-contest, hypertrophy, etc. Start as soon as possible so you already know what and how you will train once the pinning starts. This pertains to diet as well; cut, bulk etc.  Think of it as pre-cycle warm up.

Finally, understand that you will likely experience mood changes. Many feel a greater sense of well being, while other report feeling anxiety and other emotions. These phenomena are caused primarily from the hormonal changes that occur from supra-physiological doses of exogenous testosterone, which in turn directly and indirectly affect other biological systems.

This first cycle will give you an idea of how you respond to testosterone, and what you learn will be of great value in the future. Are you E2 sensitive, or not? If so, how did you handle it, what were the symptoms? How long did it take to alleviate the symptoms, and how much of which AI was required to get the desired result? No two people are the same, but many are similar to a certain degree. For example, I am not E2 sensitive, thus, I dont need much E2 control (or prolactin for that matter). However, some are E2 sensitive and need greater dosing frequency of an AI. Speaking of AI’s, it’s good to know what your baseline cholesterol is by getting bloodwork BEFORE starting your cycle. The reason I’m mentioning this is that arimidex May cause elevated LDL. Therefore, IF you have elevated LDL numbers you might consider using aromasin instead.

Bloodwork is important for many other reasons including but not limited to total and free testosterone levels precycle. Liver enzymes are good to know, as is your hemocrit.

Anyhow, please feel free to ask questions if you are confused or unclear about anything in your research.

Finally, pick your goal and plan in view of that goal. At this point, it will be either cutting, strength, or mass gain. If your bf% is above 12%, i suggest cutting. However, bf% isn’t as important if you’re going strictly for strength. If you are below 12%, and lean mass goal may be cool, if you’ve been lifting for a couple of years at least, as your tendons and ligaments will be strong enough to handle increased load and volume while on cycle.

Train hard, Eat clean :)

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Personally I get my pins

Personally I get my pins online, click on the forum tab Pharmacy Failure,  add your questions there.

My friend had a bad experience at CVS ( he used to get them there ) until the pharmacist stuck a brochure on steroid abuse in his bag , lmao I found that funny as heck !

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