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JARHEAD2 has been banned for 1 month (and his karma decreased)

JARHEAD2 has been banned for 1 month (and his karma decreased), because he gave +1 karma to Jpeace31's review on APL's review page (and also for all the reviews), and after that he contacted by pm Jpeace31 to vote for APL. It is contrary our rules.

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It seems, all the APL's reviewers were upvoted by some members.

An investigation will be started on APL this week.

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What is the policy on up

What is the policy on up voting reviews? Is it frowned upon? I'm sure I've given some thumbs up for well written reviews.

If a reviewer forgets to cast a vote, is it against our rules to remind them to vote? 

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well it seems that all the

well it seems that all the APL' reviews are well written :), and all of them are up-voted by the same users.

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A lot of guys PM me and ask

A lot of guys PM me and ask how to write a review. If you're not allowed to thumbs up a review, why is there a thumbs up/down option there.?  There is know way Jarhead would do something to favor anyone. He would only do what is proper. If you have a well written review you get Banned?? I would love to have a clear explanation on this. 

The reviews are well written, so that raises eyebrows? Maybe the smartest guys find the best sources.. If you are well spoken and well written you're smart.  Smart people would naturally find the best source.  This one is really confusing...

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up-voting EVERY SINGLE REVIEW

up-voting EVERY SINGLE REVIEW of APL??? are you kidding?

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No Sir, I'm not kidding. You

No Sir, I'm not kidding, and that was not a clear explanation. You know about the international source that was in many members pm section last week. He was already banned for this. Comes right back and does the same thing.  Hey Man, I'm just looking out for MG. Always have been. So many international sources offer free gear for rep or votes. I will send them right over to you and friends of mine have the same emails. Its just wrong.  That's all man.. Proud to be a member with all the great members. Thank you for letting Jarhead back in. I'm done with this topic.

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MG admin is getting out of

MG admin is getting out of hand. Here we go again Strong. Same shot that happened to a good source of ours, you know who i am talking about. This is some shady stuff. People getting band over pathetic things. I get an email from admin sayingto show prof of payment. 

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Its their house. We're just

Its their house. We're just visitors. I have to be honest cause that's what I do.. I really don't give a shit..  we're here for each other to help each other in many different ways. Its a business and I know all to well that being in charge of a business is tough and making decisions is tough.  Lets focus on the positive and let the nonsense go. We benefit greatly from being here so I'm thankful...

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I bet this is what it feels

I bet this is what it feels like to be a Hillary Clinton supporter. 

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I 100% disagree!! I'm glad

I 100% disagree!! I'm glad they have this place in check !  Believe me they may not know what I know...... But glad it's happening!! Do the crime pay the time. Lucky they both did get the boot Forever!! 

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It is very nice that you can

It is very nice that you can see that on your end but what rule(s) were violated?

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a member is upvoting every

a member is upvoting every review of a source and contacts the users to vote for this source, is it ok?

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In the finest cases- yes. It

In the finest cases- yes. It cases of obvious abuse- no.

The issue that I am asking to be addressed has nothing to do what the members are doing. What I am attempting to bring to your attention is that the WRITTEN rule(s) allow for this to happen. In my opinion, if you want to improve the experience on MG you need to take the first step and modify the rules so that members know what to expect.

You have expectations of members but the rules do not make those expectations clear so now you are experiencing the resentment that comes from unrealistic expectations.... holy shit that was awesome! ;)

If a liberal "Karma" policy is not the direction you want for your business then modify the procedure so that it can't happen or is limited on the basis of the rules.

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+1 SF. Clarity is key! Its

+1 SF. Clarity is key! Its important in communication, in SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures), and in any regulation where you set HARD EXPECTATIONS, and expect people to follow. If it isnt clear, it leaves room for personal interpretation, and hey we are all different, so everybody interprets things their own way, ........ and trouble!!

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Here we go...

Here we go...

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This looks very familiar...:(

This looks very familiar...:(

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Its been so mellow in here

Its been so mellow in here the last few weeks. I was hoping it would still be a while before the next shit storm

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Well this just sucks. Jarhead

Well this just sucks. Jarhead is a great honest man who reports when people are not being honest. He is a great man....... This has to be wrong..  Upvoted??? What does that mean. Man, This really shows me something..

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Shit is about to go down !!!!

Shit is about to go down !!!! if you guys think Jarhead did something shady that's crazy admin you realize he is a preacher right man of God.  Please explain what is protocol for up or down voting reveiws  so we are clear before this gets blown outta proportion  I have down voted fake reviews before   I know admin has a job to do but it seems  fishy that you guys are hammering domestic sources that climb the ladder   I have never been solicited  a domestic source  however I got a very upsetting pm last week and turned it over to a mod  the first time it has ever happened to by the way  !!!

 

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I got the same pm Outlaw. I

I got the same pm Outlaw. I tried to handle it though because he was an international source. Come on guys. Its not like we all don't know whats going on around here. We don't come on every day for the sources. We could simply just lurk and get our gear. We are here cause were all good friends. I am here cause of guys and Gals like you Outlaw.  Never once did I get any solicitation from a Dom source..

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If they can provide Jarhead

If they can provide Jarhead with the proof than there shouldn't be an issu. Putting him on a 1 month ban I don't agree with, take his karma that he upvoted ban him for a week move on. As far as the source goes same should apply But with steeper punishment. 

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WILL A MOD PLEASE PM ME !!!!!

WILL A MOD PLEASE PM ME !!!!!

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I cant see that he did

I cant see that he did anything wrong either... We've been encouraged to be liberal with karma, and Jarhead gave one point. 

I would see the problem if jarhead had managed to give him 5 karma points and then told him to vote, but that's not what happened here. 

This situation is disappointing. I hope after further review admin will lift this ban.

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Burrr wrote:

Burrr wrote:

I would see the problem if jarhead had managed to give him 5 karma points and then told him to vote, but that's not what happened here. 

This is the exact situation happened here, jarhead and other members are increasing the karma of an user and after he is contacting the user to vote for a source!!! Why he is doing this only to APL' reviews?!?!
He is acting like a rep only for APL!!!
We have thousands of great reviews and only APL's reviews are up-voted by jarhead and others (it seem there is group here).

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If it " Seems" like a group

If it " Seems" like a group than you should do some research. You would find out that it might have been a small mistake... I'm a nosy guy.. I know whats going on around me at all times. No one needs to help APL. He is top notch. Take a look at another source that has been blasting posts with slight knowledge. You know what I mean. I hope I can still post my opinions on this forum..

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That is far from behaving

That is far from behaving like a rep, that does not even reach fanboy status. 

Guys have certain source discussion pages that they hang out in, and often read the reviews for the sources they follow. 

Not long ago one of our mods encouraged us to be more liberal with Karma and to freely hand it out for good posts, pics and reviews. The majority of your active members are buying from a few domestic sources and are very active on those source's pages. We've even had mods step in and remind us that we should post these comments in the general forum when it is appropriate. It's the direct results of good sales practice that these sources have a more active discussion page and more thumbs up on reviews. 

You have had sources come here, offer great promos and become active in discussions. The result is a following of members that check those source pages daily. If international sources feel like they are losing their edge then it is on them to step up their game. I see one international source doing just that, big promo and active on the boards. If he wants a following of active members, let him earn it. 

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Concerns

Should those of us who excelled in English all be concered about potential bans due to well written reviews? Are well written cycle logs and forum posts receiving the same type of scrutiny?

It's incredibly obvious what this site is doing at this point. And we're all supposed to sit here and pretend like it's not happening. The sad part is using a guy like Jarhead as a scapegoat to achieve your goal. You couldn't have waited for me to write my review and banned me? You had to ban LITERALLY THE KINDEST, MOST HONEST, MOST HUMBLE GUY ON THE SITE. Awesome work. I get you guys wanna make a decent buck, but to do it at the expense of someone like Jarhead is deplorable.

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Admin, I bet a lot of your

Admin, I bet a lot of your members here would like to ask you questions but do not out of fear for being banned. Would you consider an amnesty page, where members can ask you anything?

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Burrr...nobody should have

Burrr...nobody should have any fears of being banned for asking questions or having a difference of opinion. As long as we all act like grownups and keep it respectful. We don't want a site full of sheep. We welcome healthy debate, but it has to stay respectful and not turn childish once someone gets their feelings hurt.

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I believe that ADMIN should

I believe that ADMIN should take some time and review their own rules and if the WRITTEN rule does not comply with their style of enforcement than change the written rule so members know what to expect. Nothing is more frustrating to a member than not knowing what to expect and what is deemed as acceptable.

Help us help you ADMIN- revise your rules so that they are inline with your unseen enforcement policies.

Rule 8.3.2 states - Vote any content that you have found useful, helpful and reward that author with the ‘thumbs up’ button.

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It is forbidden to act as a

It is forbidden to act as a REPS for sources. That person will be severely penalized in case we found something odd and strange.
'Karma whoring' will be strictly punished!

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That sucks that jar head was

That sucks that jar head was banned. I'm new and don't know all the politics, but in my opinion jar head has been a great person to go to as a newbie for advice along with a lot of other people on here as well. If it wasn't for people like jar head I would have taken my first cycle as soon as it came in the mail. BUT I DIDN'T , because all you guys asked me to get more educated first for safety reasons. And I did just that. THANK YOU JAR HEAD and others as well. Hope you get to come back soon

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Like I said man... we got

Like I said man... we got your 6 anytime Devil Dog ! 

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OOOOOOH-RAHHHHH!

OOOOOOH-RAHHHHH!

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OK time to clear this shit

OK time to clear this shit storm up. Guys/gals we just don't ban members for the fuck of it, especially active contributing members. The whole karma and voting is grossly abused elsewhere. We are trying to keep a handle on this so we do not evolve into your standard back scratching site. There are events that occur here that raise an eyebrow to many but rest assured the admin and the regiume below gains absolutely nothing the actions taken against those who are reprimanded. It's amazing how the very creative accusations surface when something like this occurs.  Will this change ? The answer is yes since we are constantly trying to improve the screening process. Let's remember that this is for safety of the community and with every reprimand, unless labled a scammer, there is an opportunity to return. We don't play hardball like that here however one must mistake nice for stupid. There are several sly members who work several sites trying to build a sources reputation before the bomb drops. Remember big Joe, ugl, syntheticGenes.LT, and a host of others that took members hard earned money ? You have no idea who you are talking to on the other end of your keyboard so keeping that left glove up will help prevent the right book for ringing your Bell. 

As always we continue to answer all question in a open forum format instead of gagging those vocal members via a ban but let's maintain a level of respect since you will receive what you give. 

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milkin, thanks for speaking

milkin, thanks for speaking up.  We hate to see our contributing members being banned and the image of MG being tarnished. As members here we really dont know what goes on behind the scenes and can draw conclusions based on what seems apparent. 

We have become accustomed to seeing guys doing what the can to help their favorite source, not quite full blown fan boy stuff but definitely rooting for their team. I guess it all comes down to where you draw the line, for me an example was when Bigmurph reviewed GBI and had not even used the products himself. Fake review, and any other fake shit crosses the line.

In this case of Jarhead, many of us did not see that line. Do you feel it is ban worthy for a member to thumbs up all the reviews for their favorite source? I've kinda come to expect that behaviour, and only get pissed when members down vote legit negative reviews.

Do you feel it is ban worthy for a member to remind a newbie to vote after reviewing? 

How do you define Karma whoring? 

 

 

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Also burrr take your heart

Also burrr take your heart and the fact you know jarhead out of the equation. If you came in and seen where someone had up voted every single review on a sources page and had encourged some through pm to source star vote what are you gonna think? 1 he's a fanboy and getting free gear for up voting and encouraging through pm to star vote or 2 that he's acting a source rep. As a review site vet you've seen the stuff that goes on at other sites as far as this type behavior. Just keep in mind that admin looks at this with a completely unbiased heart. Wrong is wrong. Right is right. Whereas you or myself might have some bias since we know jar so well.

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Dolf, I think I've gotten

Dolf, I think I've gotten used to fan boys that take things to a whole new level. Giving thumbs up on reviews, and reminding to vote seems pretty tame compared to what real fan boys are capable of. 

I've seen fanboys offer to let their favorite source fuck their wife. 

have a laugh .... https://www.eroids.com/og/who-is-the-biggest-douche-bag-on-this-site/greatest-fanboy-quotes-of-all-time

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Hy shit! When you think you

Hy shit! When you think you've seen it all! 

 

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Milkin, Thanks for taking the

Milkin, Thanks for taking the time to explain things clearly. Its tough for me because I come here to get away from all the nonsense in the real world. It was easier when it was smaller like anything else.. Admin. is lucky to have you. Truthfully, I don't like them. Which means nothing to them. All we ask for is clear explanation when a great brother that just flew to Belize to preach and buy bibles for under privileged people. I'd support you the same way brother. Thanks..

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Karma whoring is when members

Karma whoring is when members rally a source or another member buy a warning karma points for just about every comment or posted submitted. Sources can also whore votes to gain more business. Honestly, we have a pretty tight grip on this compared to other joints. 

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I'm glad you guys do what you

I'm glad you guys do what you do milk. I guess what has people concerned is here another domestic source gets close to the top and  shit storm follows if Jarhead did something that violated the rules I garuntee he didn't do it on purpose  I would stake my life on that  I dont doubt that international sources have good gear  but is every domestic source gonna be scutinized  when they excell  in rankings  again never had any source  tried to give gear for votes untill this week and I handed it to a mod i would do a domestic the same because i want the integrity of mg to be honest  I agressive with Siempre Fi modify the rules  when this happens or add an amendment to clarify  things  further then if it happens they violated rules without a doubt 

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has the ban been lifted?

Sure do miss that preacher around here!!!

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AMEN to that!

AMEN to that!

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HAs his ban been lifted?

HAs his ban been lifted?

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Not sure burrr. I'll check

Not sure burrr. I'll check andbif not I'll lift it because it's been over 30 days now.

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I lifted it and he's now

I lifted it and he's now unbanned : ))

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Man I sure do love y'all!!! :

Man I sure do love y'all!!! :):)   Thank y'all for the love you always show in return!