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Shoulder injury and Peptide options

I've been learning much and being patient and trying every option I can.   OTC product I tried Curcumin, Collagen, MSM, Cisuss (just starting)  as well as multiple therapies with trigger point, acupuncture, exercise bands, one shot of cortisone, Active reflex technique, heating pad,  nerve flossing (too expensive) KT tape, even protherapy (which may have turned my impingement into frozen shoulder)  regular massage being the most valuable/affordable.  I'm going on 6 months of doing only legs, deadlifts and very light arm exercises. oh and running I hate running but I think in life you gotta do those hard things, they are rewarding.

I was making slow gradual improvement but yesterday I had a slight setback, its minor but demoralizing so my patients is run thin.

There are so many options available, the ones that I find the most interesting are GHRP /GHRH combo,  Ipamorelin,  BPC 157, with TB500 being in the forefront.   There seem to be the consensus on what works best.

Any information or advice as the most safe and effective would be greatly appreciated

 

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I have tried ever peptide

I have tried ever peptide that you have listed and I will say without impunity that peptides and SARM's purchased from any RC is at best a waste of money with no promise of purity or actual content.

I have received certain benefits from a few of the products you mention but not to the extent to say that it was a wise investment. I certainly did not receive a return equal to the value of my dollar.

I do use GHRP-6 on occasions still but simply and specifically for the reason that it releases ghrelin in the stomach and allows me to eat a lot more than I normally could. It is great for that and nothing else in my opinion.

Every peptide or SARM that I have used has left me with the conclusion that the results were inconclusive or bust.

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+2 SF...can't beat personal

+2 SF...can't beat personal experience. 

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yep, disappointing but honest

yep, disappointing but honest

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I did take sermorelin from a

I did take sermorelin from a Anti Aging clinic and it was a very minor muscle gain but I dont feel like it healed me or protected me from future injury it was very expensive for what I gained. It would be worth doing it again at RC prices if they are legit.   I see a lot of people talk about benefits I like this guys interviews and feel like he is honest and unbiased he is a real doctor that makes his living with HRT he speaks a bit about TB500 here https://youtu.be/TsdFdmHpWuw?t=1m53s

 

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The science of TB500 is not

The science of TB500 is not the issue. It is the quality of the product that you receive is were the problem lies. ;)

 

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siempre nailed it. The

siempre nailed it. The science is there the quality Is not. I have only seen change with large dosages of ghrp and not dac but at the amount you might as well start shooting at finding Hgh.   if there was a miracle drug people would be standing in line for it  sounds like you have looked into every option i have seen four shoulder surgeries in the past year and was told two made shoulder better than it ever was one is in progress and the other had good results but   still not 100% but he had tore everything in shoulder trap and bicept  

 

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Yeah if they find a magic

Yeah if they find a magic bullet the creators will be rolling in dough..they can have some of what little I got.  I'm on the look out for legit stuff only.  If Batman can't get it...well.... shit

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My 2 cents on shoulder

My 2 cents on shoulder problems as i have had issues with mine in the past. I have hyper mobile shoulders that used to easily be dislocated, very easily. At one point, I had to have my right arm in a sling for a few weeks. I went to the University health clinic and was seen by the physician that works with football team.  He of course suggested adamantly that i undergo surgery. I was hesitant ti be honest, so i went to see a highly renowned chiropractor. When he began working on my shoulder sometime interesting occurred; i could almost immediately sense he was a martial artist. Turned out he was.

Anyhow, he gave me some stretches to do throughout the day for a few weeks, and saw him weekly during that time. He suggested strength training btw, that's one reason why i do what i do today. He said that i needed to strengthen my rotator cuff, a build the delts to hold the joint together since my ligaments may be stretched so much as to not hold the joint in place. 

I did just that, and for the most part it has worked great.  I have had trouble with my right coracoacromial ligament, so i have to really focus on technique, and know when to stop if the pain starts up. Currently, the joint is doing pretty good, and dumbbells are the best for chest. The barbell presses tend to aggravate the tendon, however, I've learned how to adjust my technique to mitigate the problem. 

I did use SARMs to help the shoulder, namely, ligandrol. I can't truly say whether or not it helped. Personally, i think it was using care and deliberation in my technique over time that helped. Key for me was knowing how much weight, how to move that weight in each exercise whether flat, incline, decline, flys, upright rows etc., and when to stop.

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Thanks buddy!  Thanks for the

Thanks buddy!  Thanks for haring your story sounds like your should problem led you to new level in health and fitness. I love to hear a negative become a positive with intelligence and determination.  I think I will stick with dumbbells for bench press, good advice.  I'm not going to do surgery and believe me I've exhaustively researched exercises.  Its healing but so damn slow.  Ive not heard of ligandrol, GH is sounding good but I dont know what 4-5 weeks of that would cost me or if thats long enough.  I think peptides would help if I knew a reliable source.   Thanks again!  

I recommended everyone do rotator cuff exercises they are all up on youtube

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ESmetalhead wrote:

ESmetalhead wrote:

GH is sounding good but I dont know what 4-5 weeks of that would cost me or if thats long enough.  I think peptides would help if I knew a reliable source.   Thanks again!  

 

GH is to be ran for at least 20-52 weeks to receive the most benefits. Using it for 4-5 weeks will be useless. You may experience some very short relief but the potential adjustment period of GH might just offset that and negatively impact the other areas of your life as much as the shoulder pain was.

Actual pharma grade GH will cost you $1000's a month. Using anything else is as big a crap shoot as the peptides. ;) 

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Thanks Batman! Oh yeah that's

Thanks Batman! Oh yeah that's way out my price range!  What negatives with GH are you alluding to?

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Surf the forum and look at

Surf the forum and look at the GH threads. Most of the common sides are listed and how to combat them.

Some research into nandrolone might be beneficial.

 

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Will do! Thanks

Will do! Thanks

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You bet. I feel that healing

You bet. I feel that healing ligaments in general is an ongoing process. Ligaments get almost no blood flow, so it takes time; glacially slow  (except now glaciers are melting at break neck speed in terms of glacial speed). Ligandrol is a SARM that supposedly aids in ligament repair, and builds muscle. It's too pricey in my opinion for a crap shoot supplement.

Two friends who have undergone surgery, one knee, the other shoulder, have sworn by collagen hydrolysate for healing post-op. Perhaps look into using that if you haven't already.

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Yeah SARMS seem like the most

Yeah SARMS seem like the most imperfect of options.   I'm currently on my second can of Great Lakes gelatin collagen hydrolysate dont know if it helps or not.   A lot of people like bone broth too

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I have shitload of bones in

I have shitload of bones in the freezer ready for the crock pot.  Goat, chicken, beef and pig bones. Some suggest putting some vinegar in the water to aid in releasing the nutrients in the bones. Others say to roast the bones in the oven for a few hours. I slow cook the bones for two weeks adding water as needed. Seems the cartilage takes awhile to fully break down

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I'll bet the variety of bones

I'll bet the variety of bones will add the potential benefits

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Definitely tastes pretty damn

Definitely tastes pretty damn good. There's still meat on the bones too, especially the goat bones. You know, nothing beats fresh, wild goat meat though. Kinda tastes like muskrat, a little sweet, with a touch of gamey-ness.

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never had it :) ill have to

never had it :) ill have to try.  , 

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Good stuff man. Save bones in

Good stuff man. Save bones in the freezer, or get some at the store, throw in a crock pot and fill it with water and about 1/2 cup of vinegar. Throw some onions in it too for taste. Slow cook it for a week, then add a cup to your food once a day. You may need to skim the fat off the top once in awhile, give it to the dog i guess. Keep the crock pot topped off with water. Then, by the second or third week, strain it into a large mason jar. Also, bay leaves and rosemary add a nice hardy flavor to bone broth.

 

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Goat is very good. Even

Goat is very good. Even better if it gets on ice immediately after field dressing. 

I marinate mine in buttermilk for 24 hours before cooking to take some of musk taste out. Delicious. I prep mule deer the same way because a major part of their diet is sage brush.

We also can venison with the smaller bones. The bones will dissolve over time and add excellent flavor and additional nutrition to the mix. I only starting doing it because my grandpa taught me that way and now I wouldn't can it without bones/marrow.

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Wooly Mammoth and Sasquanch

Wooly Mammoth and Sasquanch (trailer park boys pronunciation) is the best but hard to find

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umm my mouth watering. ,

umm my mouth watering. ,  there was a time. i would fill 2 freezers. with venison for the winter ...i had to to survive..   

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"My grandpa taught me how to live off the land, his taught him to be a businessman..."

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Ol' Hank  1,2 and 3

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Es ,

Es ,

how bad is the shoulder ? i ask because i suffer from shoulder injury also .

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It's really not too bad now

It's really not too bad now because its been healing for 6 months and its improving.  I just tired of not lifting (not even arms) , not snowboarding, not riding my dirtbike, etc.  I know I have months to go but it will be 100 % eventually but not soon enough.   I think everyone eventually has shoulder problems that's why we gotta get wise to the mechanics and function.  I have frozen shoulder (adhesive capsulitis) they done even know what causes it.   I'm looking into gear options to heal and prevent this shit again.

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good luck 

good luck 

sounds a little more serious than mine. , im limited to movements and weight , like 185 and above i start to feel 

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Shoulder nightmare

I am lucky to have had a more positive experience then some with peptides. Horizontal arms is as high as I could go for 16 years . 

Then , sermorelin , ghrp 2 or 6 , tb500 1mg twice per week , then switch to bpc-500 500 mcg 2x pw, 2 weeks off back on tb500 and adjust the dose. If you can bpc-500 in the medial delt With a  Slin needle 5/8 or longer With a little pressure. Sermorelin and ghrp up to 5 times per day in gut With slin 28g 1/2-5/8 painless but requires dedication. Then my new thing up food intake and cardio to cycle the blood when swinging arms , in know it hurts but limit the swing, cardio will balance the extra calaries. Now if you impeove over servers months this takes focus and mental power to make it work, add a squirt of deca or NPR to lube the joints , add biotin to help repair things, gives nasty farts :(.

figure 30 ml - 50 of tb And about the same of BPC-157. When using the bands ovoid the pop work overhead then back and over head then forward , full range will pop . 

This is 100% bro science and at your own risk but dam it feels good to have shoulders again. I live on a lake and could not swim , I giggle every time I swim the fucking channel now.

good luck 

if you can afford GH then you know what to do. 

Do not even consider doing this, I am only sharing a possible scenario And treatment protocol. I'm not a dr. And I don't go to drs.

also every workout ice them down to lower the swelling , don't even get me started on O2 therapy and what I learned .

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Thanks so much for this info!

Thanks so much for this info!  At this point I can't even do a push ups with out pain.   I'm going to make a move as soon as my bitcoin wallet is running

 

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Shoulder nightmare

I am lucky to have had a more positive experience then some with peptides. Horizontal arms is as high as I could go for 16 years . 

Then , sermorelin , ghrp 2 or 6 , tb500 1mg twice per week , then switch to bpc-500 500 mcg 2x pw, 2 weeks off back on tb500 and adjust the dose. If you can bpc-500 in the medial delt With a  Slin needle 5/8 or longer With a little pressure. Sermorelin and ghrp up to 5 times per day in gut With slin 28g 1/2-5/8 painless but requires dedication. Then my new thing up food intake and cardio to cycle the blood when swinging arms , in know it hurts but limit the swing, cardio will balance the extra calaries. Now if you impeove over servers months this takes focus and mental power to make it work, add a squirt of deca or NPR to lube the joints , add biotin to help repair things, gives nasty farts :(.

figure 30 ml - 50 of tb And about the same of BPC-157. When using the bands ovoid the pop work overhead then back and over head then forward , full range will pop . 

This is 100% bro science and at your own risk but dam it feels good to have shoulders again. I live on a lake and could not swim , I giggle every time I swim the fucking channel now.

good luck 

if you can afford GH then you know what to do. 

Do not even consider doing this, I am only sharing a possible scenario And treatment protocol. I'm not a dr. And I don't go to drs.

also every workout ice them down to lower the swelling , don't even get me started on O2 therapy and what I learned .

research peptide dose as they tend to be very specific to remain below saturation levels For ghrp/ghrh

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Good news

I very happy to say I did an actual but minimal shoulder workout today! just some shoulder raises but its awesome after so long injured.    I got this injury sometime in August and its been very slow to improve but I feel like the healing went into high gear this last 5 weeks with the help of TB500 200mcg very 3rd day and and Sermorelin100mcgs ed in the evenings right before sleep after not eating for at least a half hour.  At the beginning of this trial I couldn't do a single push-up without pain and a little cracking crunching sound. After just a month I can do them with zero pain.  This I've put extra work into my legs and doing short runs a couple times a week so they are in great shape.   Since I've not run any gear in 20 years and not really gaining much in the gym. I feel like even this little bit of Sermorelin help me put on a little bit muscle. rr4298was a big help with the dosing Ive learned a lot from everyone since Ive been here. 

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That is excellent news ES. A

That is excellent news ES. A turning point in the healing process for sure. I'd still take small steps, that durned shoulder can be a real bitch sometimes ;)

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Yeah I gotta keep that in

Yeah I gotta keep that in mind and use the rubber bands and make and keep the rotator muscles strong

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Great News ES!

Great News ES!

Hope it continues until you are at 100%.

 

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It wont be long, I just gotta

It wont be long, I just gotta keep jogging a bit more before I can run

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I also looked into ipamorelin

I also looked into ipamorelin and tb 500 after I ruptured my bicep at work in the end of all my research I figured out that the best bet is hgh. At first I thought hgh was way to expensive but when you add up the cost of ipamorelin or tb 500 dosed strong you're actually paying more than if you used hgh which hgh can also be backed up by bloods.

It has also been proven to help healing.

Ipamorelin and tb 500 to have been tested and if you can get the real thing not cut into only 60% pure. Then it will also help but I haven't been able to find a place i trust to spend that much money on those peptides.

Hgh you can get bloods done and see that its working and bloods have already been done by other members to show which hgh is the best bang for your buck. Hgh in my opinion is what I would use for an injury 

Good luck and good gains brother 

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THanks BigMurf  I just saw

THanks BigMurf  I just saw this as gmail is blocking MG.   I switched to another email address.

I would like to get bloods done for igf and prolactin while I try this Hex

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F these injuries

     Well shit! I was at the point where I could do some light shoulder work and push-ups and my range of movement was 99% with some minor pain and tightness.  The low and behold I hurt my hand in a place that I broke years ago on someones skull.  If your gonna clobber someone on the back of the head repeatedly use and knee or stay outta trouble lol  So its been 3 weeks healing so far and Ive got it in a brace.

   So anyway I healing up from this still using the TB500 and now I'm trying out the Hexarillin.  It is supposed to be the strongest growth hormone releasing peptide.  Similar to GHRP6 but with out the crazy hunger stimulation.  100 mcgs ed then maybe moving up to 200mcg at least an hour and one half after consuming carbs/fats and at least 20 mins after carbs/fats and I guess protein is irrelevant.   Prolactin and cortisol are things to look out for as they are somewhat increased as well. 

According to what I've read " growth hormone levels peak at the half-hour mark after injection, then decreasing to baseline values within roughly four hours so half-life is about 55 minutes".  "some attenuation to Hexarelin occurs by week 4, and continues on up to 16 weeks of use. By separating Hexarelin cycles by 4 week off periods, this attenuation can be totally reset and the next cycle of Hexarelin will produce the same level of results as the first cycle".

I had a little bit of arm pump today for seemingly no reason, and I took my first shot earlier in the day.  We shall see how it goes...

 

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Upping dose to 200

it would be better to split the dose then up it to the saturationmcg  point . Try 100 mcg 2x per day morning and night . 200 can cause frequent hand and arm pumps.

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Thats the plan but I want try

Thats the plan but I want try 100 once for a couple days.  I worry about prolactin and wonder if mine is high anyway and thats why I carry extra fat on my pecs.   I got a headache later in the day that might be a good sign, and indication of a gh response or just the weather.